Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

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simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Christ I'd forgotten lots of the daft things, like rUK students will pay for university education while nobody else in the EU does, and the Royal Mail will be nationalised. Whatever the hell that means.

Gaspode

4,167 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Siscar said:
Wow, you think the SNP have a plan on things like that?

I suspect they'd want the rUK to keep doing it for them.
I am sure that DVLA would be only too happy to provide vehicle licensing services to foreign countries. This could be a major revenue earner for rUK. I wonder what the cost of issuing documents would be? Say hi to the £500 driving licence, and the £1000 MOT test...


Gargamel

15,015 posts

262 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Lord Robertson is one of the very few Labour Politicians of recent memory that I have any time for.

Absolutely on the money, in terms of personal integrity, common sense and a commanding intellect. All round good chap and former Nato leader.

I thought his speech was considered and if a little OTT it does highlight just how absurd the defence and security situation of an Independant Scotland will be. Will Scotland remain in Nato, will it continue to be a Nuclear power? Does the SNP have a policy to retain Scottish Battlions ?

Feels like they want the protection and security of NATO, but without the investment or credibility of an independant force.


ianrb

1,536 posts

141 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Gargamel said:
Lord Robertson is one of the very few Labour Politicians of recent memory that I have any time for.

Absolutely on the money, in terms of personal integrity, common sense and a commanding intellect. All round good chap and former Nato leader.

I thought his speech was considered and if a little OTT it does highlight just how absurd the defence and security situation of an Independant Scotland will be. Will Scotland remain in Nato, will it continue to be a Nuclear power? Does the SNP have a policy to retain Scottish Battlions ?

Feels like they want the protection and security of NATO, but without the investment or credibility of an independant force.
And as usual the SNP's response was devoid of any substance.



confused_buyer

6,624 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Gaspode said:
I am sure that DVLA would be only too happy to provide vehicle licensing services to foreign countries. This could be a major revenue earner for rUK. I wonder what the cost of issuing documents would be? Say hi to the £500 driving licence, and the £1000 MOT test...
I'm sure a useful "1st registration tax" would fill a few holes in the Scottish budget. That way, like the RoI and others, they could get a nice payment off anyone buying a used car from rUK and registering it in Scotland. That's always assuming they're in the EU of course and there isn't import duty & VAT on top.

Gaspode

4,167 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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confused_buyer said:
I'm sure a useful "1st registration tax" would fill a few holes in the Scottish budget. That way, like the RoI and others, they could get a nice payment off anyone buying a used car from rUK and registering it in Scotland. That's always assuming they're in the EU of course and there isn't import duty & VAT on top.
I'm sure the stimulus this would give to the Scottish car industry would prove very welcome. In no time at all the Linwood factory could be rebuilt and the glens would once again echo to the sound of Hillman Imps buzzing hither and thither.

Siscar

6,315 posts

130 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Alex Salmond said:
It is contributions like his which are turning people across Scotland in their droves away from the fear and smear tactics of the No campaign towards the positive, upbeat, optimistic message of the Yes campaign.
One of the interesting things about the campaign is how it is possible to run one on sheer 'optimism'. It's like a party standing in the General Election and promising full employment, shorter hours, higher pay, pensions younger, cheaper petrol, free prescriptions and so on with anyone questioning them being accused of fear, smear and negativity. Where is reality in that?


KENZ

1,229 posts

194 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Siscar said:
simoid said:
McWigglebum4th said:
EFA
Thought the SNP plan was to replicate the DVLA? Ho hum.
Wow, you think the SNP have a plan on things like that?

I suspect they'd want the rUK to keep doing it for them.
DVLA not in use in Scotland is a big + for me. It's a ridiculous out of date Tax. You should be taxed on the miles you do not the cars you own.

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Siscar said:
Alex Salmond said:
It is contributions like his which are turning people across Scotland in their droves away from the fear and smear tactics of the No campaign towards the positive, upbeat, optimistic message of the Yes campaign.
One of the interesting things about the campaign is how it is possible to run one on sheer 'optimism'. It's like a party standing in the General Election and promising full employment, shorter hours, higher pay, pensions younger, cheaper petrol, free prescriptions and so on with anyone questioning them being accused of fear, smear and negativity. Where is reality in that?
Even then, the message from the yes campaign is as much 'Westminster is st' than 'independence will be brilliant'.

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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KENZ said:
DVLA not in use in Scotland is a big + for me. It's a ridiculous out of date Tax. You should be taxed on the miles you do not the cars you own.
The DVLA does a lot more than just tax folk.

Mrr T

12,264 posts

266 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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confused_buyer said:
I'm sure a useful "1st registration tax" would fill a few holes in the Scottish budget. That way, like the RoI and others, they could get a nice payment off anyone buying a used car from rUK and registering it in Scotland. That's always assuming they're in the EU of course and there isn't import duty & VAT on top.
For information an exceptionally 1st registration tax for rUK cars being registered in Scotland would only be allowed if Scotland is NOT in the EU. EU rules require that any registration tax must be the same for all cars whether produced locally or imported from any EU country. Romania tried this when they first joined the EU and it had to be removed and the taxes repaid.

Neonblau

875 posts

134 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Mrr T said:
For information an exceptionally 1st registration tax for rUK cars being registered in Scotland would only be allowed if Scotland is NOT in the EU. EU rules require that any registration tax must be the same for all cars whether produced locally or imported from any EU country. Romania tried this when they first joined the EU and it had to be removed and the taxes repaid.
And if Scotland is not in the EU then Kim Il Salmond can look at his beloved Norway for an example of how to tax imports. Here's a link - there are some eye watering costs involved in importing just about anything:

http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/RegistrationTax.a...

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Neonblau said:
And if Scotland is not in the EU then Kim Il Salmond can look at his beloved Norway for an example of how to tax imports. Here's a link - there are some eye watering costs involved in importing just about anything:

http://www.toll.no/templates_TAD/RegistrationTax.a...
If I wanted to take my wee Clio to Norway it would be:

Total for this vehicle including taxes: 259 805,00

I take it thats a couple of hundred quid!?



ETA: read that wrong, that would be without the discount for it being old, which would take it to about

"Total taxes: 111 005,00"

So that must just be a hundred quid or so to take a 9 year old Clio to Norway wink

Edited by simoid on Tuesday 8th April 16:02

pcvdriver

1,819 posts

200 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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simoid said:
The DVLA does a lot more than just tax folk.
You're so right simoid....... they also do a great line in losing v5's, accidental driving licence category removal, failure to correctly issue tax discs etc etc........

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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pcvdriver said:
You're so right simoid....... they also do a great line in losing v5's, accidental driving licence category removal, failure to correctly issue tax discs etc etc........
The Scottish one would, of course, be perfect from the outset.

pcvdriver

1,819 posts

200 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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simoid said:
The Scottish one would, of course, be perfect from the outset.
Maybe not......but I'd put a bet on that it wouldn't be any worse.....

simoid

19,772 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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pcvdriver said:
Maybe not......but I'd put a bet on that it wouldn't be any worse.....
Aye, very good.

In other news, the weather will be better if we vote no.


pcvdriver

1,819 posts

200 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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simoid said:
pcvdriver said:
Maybe not......but I'd put a bet on that it wouldn't be any worse.....
Aye, very good.

In other news, the weather will be better if we vote no.
Now you're being deliberately obtuse....or infantile. I can't decide which.....

Derek Smith

45,739 posts

249 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Gargamel said:
Feels like they want the protection and security of NATO, but without the investment or credibility of an independant force.
Like they'd be the first.

Edited by Derek Smith on Tuesday 8th April 16:31

mpire

888 posts

175 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Gaspode said:
Siscar said:
Wow, you think the SNP have a plan on things like that?

I suspect they'd want the rUK to keep doing it for them.
I am sure that DVLA would be only too happy to provide vehicle licensing services to foreign countries. This could be a major revenue earner for rUK. I wonder what the cost of issuing documents would be? Say hi to the £500 driving licence, and the £1000 MOT test...
Wait till they ( SNP ) catch onto VRT ( Vehicle Registration Tax )
Irish style .... " Oh you've bought your brother in Sidcup's car sir ?
And you stay in Ayrshire, you say ? Cross my palm with thousands of
whatever ( Sterling preferably ) for the privilege of issuing Scottish
number plates " ( a trick we learned from our mates in Dublin )

And don't even get me started on the Irish PRSI system and the cost
of healthcare ... Oh sorry, I forgot, everything will be free in the
New Nirvana.


Edited by mpire on Tuesday 8th April 16:23

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