Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
SWTH said:
Chatting with a friend of mine last week about the Scottish Question revealed an interesting (to me, at least) fact - his employers (an oil/gas/sea infrastructure co) have already started proceedings to reduce or even leave their offices in Aberdeen. They don't want to be around in the event of Scottish independence.
If other major companies are looking at doing this too it'll be a major blow to the Jocks.
Even if the offices don't move, you can bet the money will. iScotland will see a significant erosion of its tax base before independence. If other major companies are looking at doing this too it'll be a major blow to the Jocks.
whoami said:
After the No vote, it'll quickly lose all traction in the media and revert back to exactly the way it was before this ridiculous flight of fancy was ever agreed to.
I hope you're right, but it could only take something small in the future like addressing the west lothian question or a ship building contract to go somewhere else to re-ignite support for the SNP and off we go again.From this point on any British government knows the independence seed has been sewn, and even if it doesn't flower this season, they're always gonna be walking on eggshells, mindful that any partially controversial decision may sprinkle a little bit too much water on the flowerpot.
What a situation to be in. Do we give preference to Scotland to keep them sweet, or do we play by the book and award contracts elswhere on merit and run the risk of of the Nats playing the victim card again.
Scotland can't afford to be putting London or itself in this position again. After the No, Salmond and Sturgeon should resign. And if they don't - lock'em in the Tower of London for treason.
Cobnapint said:
whoami said:
After the No vote, it'll quickly lose all traction in the media and revert back to exactly the way it was before this ridiculous flight of fancy was ever agreed to.
I hope you're right, but it could only take something small in the future like addressing the west lothian question or a ship building contract to go somewhere else to re-ignite support for the SNP and off we go again.From this point on any British government knows the independence seed has been sewn, and even if it doesn't flower this season, they're always gonna be walking on eggshells, mindful that any partially controversial decision may sprinkle a little bit too much water on the flowerpot.
What a situation to be in. Do we give preference to Scotland to keep them sweet, or do we play by the book and award contracts elswhere on merit and run the risk of of the Nats playing the victim card again.
Scotland can't afford to be putting London or itself in this position again. After the No, Salmond and Sturgeon should resign. And if they don't - lock'em in the Tower of London for treason.
k off so the rest of us can get on with life in peace! If they don't go of their own accord then we'll just have to axe the Barnett formula & just set the Block grant to a fiver a year instead"That ought to be enough to swing it!
whoami said:
Funk said:
If Nats are expecting things to 'go back to the way they were' with relations between us and them, they're naive and deluded.
After the No vote, it'll quickly lose all traction in the media and revert back to exactly the way it was before this ridiculous flight of fancy was ever agreed to.Edinburger said:
Lol - I bet he didn't anticipate a criminal record for such a prank. Oh well his wife kids parents will be so proud & I wonder how HR will respond to him confirming a conviction hmm harm career progression and/or harm potential job application.
Utter tool.
tertius said:
whoami said:
Funk said:
If Nats are expecting things to 'go back to the way they were' with relations between us and them, they're naive and deluded.
After the No vote, it'll quickly lose all traction in the media and revert back to exactly the way it was before this ridiculous flight of fancy was ever agreed to..
Edinburger said:
Any update on regimes that silence people?Guam said:
Indeed and we are supposed to care whether we retain these fkwits in the family circle 
Vote Yes Vote Yes and then fk right off!
You have fkwits in the family circle Vote Yes Vote Yes and then f
k right off!kwits down south tooDon't forget in 1997 and 2001 everyone in scotland could of voted Tory and you would of still had Tony Blair as PM
Our face painted morons are in a minority
I was chatting about this with some colleagues from all over Europe and it's interesting to see their views.
The main question is 'why do they even want independence?' Catalonia wants to be independent because it's demonstrably more prosperous than the rest of Spain, but Scotland is certainly not Catalonia, and is more like Sicily trying to leave Italy in spite of the fact it has lower wages, lower tax income and is reliant on Italy to buy its goods.
Apparently there is a campaign for Sardinia to leave Italy though, they want to join Switzerland instead. It would mean we could have a navy then!
It would be interesting to see some stats comparing Scotland with similar size countries looking at incomes, unemployment, public vs private sector employment, personal tax and corporation tax and then see how the numbers look.
There is a lot of anecdotal evidence of businesses looking at options to move South appearing, I do wonder if the result is a narrow 'No' if some will make the move anyway (especially those who publicly supported the no campaign and are now being boycotted and abused) as anything other than a landslide will mean the nats will re-group for another go in a few years time.
The main question is 'why do they even want independence?' Catalonia wants to be independent because it's demonstrably more prosperous than the rest of Spain, but Scotland is certainly not Catalonia, and is more like Sicily trying to leave Italy in spite of the fact it has lower wages, lower tax income and is reliant on Italy to buy its goods.
Apparently there is a campaign for Sardinia to leave Italy though, they want to join Switzerland instead. It would mean we could have a navy then!
It would be interesting to see some stats comparing Scotland with similar size countries looking at incomes, unemployment, public vs private sector employment, personal tax and corporation tax and then see how the numbers look.
There is a lot of anecdotal evidence of businesses looking at options to move South appearing, I do wonder if the result is a narrow 'No' if some will make the move anyway (especially those who publicly supported the no campaign and are now being boycotted and abused) as anything other than a landslide will mean the nats will re-group for another go in a few years time.
AnotherClarkey said:
Even if it is 'No' I think it would be sound strategic planning to move Trident out of Scotland, or at least base the Trident replacement elsewhere in the UK.
Agreed, if the replacement is pushed through I would be looking elsewhere for its location if it were my choice, to avoid possible future shutdown costs if Scotland became independant and wanted it moving and it also draws away one of their potential bartering chips if another referendum was run.I've said before, but I'd like to think that in the subsequent SG elections after a NO vote from here on out will see a far better turn out than before. Staunch NO supporters will not want to see the SNP in power for any longer than necessary - either because of a reinvigorated appetite for the Union, or just as punishment for caushing all this in the first place. If that sentiment prevails in a majority, then it could be a long time before there is even the option of another referendum if they keep coming out to vote. This is good.
Of course, the flip side is alot of usually dormant voters will have been awakened thanks to the YES campaign and will continue to support nationalism in spades ongoing. This is bad.
So although I think life will go back to realtively normal after a NO vote, one thing is for sure - there's no room for voter apathy anymore while this is still fresh in Scotland's mind, or else the SNP will just slip back in and bring their Nats with them.
Of course, the flip side is alot of usually dormant voters will have been awakened thanks to the YES campaign and will continue to support nationalism in spades ongoing. This is bad.
So although I think life will go back to realtively normal after a NO vote, one thing is for sure - there's no room for voter apathy anymore while this is still fresh in Scotland's mind, or else the SNP will just slip back in and bring their Nats with them.
Cobnapint said:
very little chance of Liebour ever getting in power again
This has been mentioned so many times now it should be a 'sticky' at the top of the forum - Labour had a majority in England as recently as 6th May 2010 (the day of the last General Election).Cobnapint said:
cost savings when HS2 is built - we just stick a set of buffer stops in at Carlisle and jobs a good'un.
HS2 is only currently planned as far as Leeds and Manchester. One of the issues preventing extending it all the way to Glasgow and Edinburgh is that transport spending is devolved so unless the Scottish Government comes up with the money it won't be going over the border.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff