Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
Guam said:
Indeed and we are supposed to care whether we retain these f
kwits in the family circle 
Vote Yes Vote Yes and then fk right off!
You have fkwits in the family circle Vote Yes Vote Yes and then f
k right off!kwits down south tooDon't forget in 1997 and 2001 everyone in scotland could of voted Tory and you would of still had Tony Blair as PM
Our face painted morons are in a minority
Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 29th August 10:33
Wrathalanche said:
I've said before, but I'd like to think that in the subsequent SG elections after a NO vote from here on out will see a far better turn out than before. Staunch NO supporters will not want to see the SNP in power for any longer than necessary - either because of a reinvigorated appetite for the Union, or just as punishment for caushing all this in the first place. If that sentiment prevails in a majority, then it could be a long time before there is even the option of another referendum if they keep coming out to vote. This is good.
Of course, the flip side is alot of usually dormant voters will have been awakened thanks to the YES campaign and will continue to support nationalism in spades ongoing. This is bad.
So although I think life will go back to realtively normal after a NO vote, one thing is for sure - there's no room for voter apathy anymore while this is still fresh in Scotland's mind, or else the SNP will just slip back in and bring their Nats with them.
Not sure I agree with you there. You see - referendum aside for a sec - the SNP are at least a credible alternative to the Lib/Lab/Con crowd. They've been a good government for Scotland with a track record of delivering on their promises. Of course, the flip side is alot of usually dormant voters will have been awakened thanks to the YES campaign and will continue to support nationalism in spades ongoing. This is bad.
So although I think life will go back to realtively normal after a NO vote, one thing is for sure - there's no room for voter apathy anymore while this is still fresh in Scotland's mind, or else the SNP will just slip back in and bring their Nats with them.
If the result is No, I don't see their position shifting much at future elections.
Axionknight said:
Wombat3 said:
That would just involve spending a huge amount of money we haven't got....
That sounds like the SNP and their attitude towards national finances, come to think of it.Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.
Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?
Edinburger said:
Axionknight said:
Wombat3 said:
That would just involve spending a huge amount of money we haven't got....
That sounds like the SNP and their attitude towards national finances, come to think of it.Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.
Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?
Axionknight said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Even if it is 'No' I think it would be sound strategic planning to move Trident out of Scotland, or at least base the Trident replacement elsewhere in the UK.
Agreed, if the replacement is pushed through I would be looking elsewhere for its location if it were my choice, to avoid possible future shutdown costs if Scotland became independant and wanted it moving and it also draws away one of their potential bartering chips if another referendum was run.Rollin said:
Edinburger said:
Axionknight said:
Wombat3 said:
That would just involve spending a huge amount of money we haven't got....
That sounds like the SNP and their attitude towards national finances, come to think of it.Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.
Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?
NoNeed said:
Filthy Tooory fearmongering!!!!!!Am I doing this right?
Edinburger said:
Really? Yet Scotland contributes more than it's population share to the UK Treasury. We get back in the devolved settlement plus our allocated share of UK spend less than we send to the Treasury and that has been the case for 33 years. It is the UK that is spending more than it earns.
Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.
Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?
Thats just being divisive. PARTS of the UK spend more per capita than they earn, just as PARTS of the UK contribute more than they receive. The South East contributes even more than Scotland and takes even less back. Places like Wales, the north east and NI are the big drains on UK finances. But, do you know what, I am fine with that. Really I am. It's worth subsidising Wales as part of the greater family of the UK. It seems it's only the Scots who have an issue taking care of less fortunate family members. - and even then that's only since you guys started to contribute a bit more via North Sea oil. Your comments just confirm what everyone else in rUK has suspected all along.- That is, when you had nowt you were happy to suck on the teat of the UK, now you've got something it's "blow you jack (and taff and paddy) I'm alright.".Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.
Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?
What you sow, so shall you reap though
Any thoughts on how you'll bridge that gap between what you earn and what you spend? (cos it's still there, regardless of how much you think you pay in) Edinburger said:
Really? Yet Scotland contributes more than it's population share to the UK Treasury. We get back in the devolved settlement plus our allocated share of UK spend less than we send to the Treasury and that has been the case for 33 years. It is the UK that is spending more than it earns.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't but it doesn't matter. What matters is that all the figures available show on current potential tax take v current spending Scotland will face a very large deficit. Oil revenue may fill some of it, but not all of it, and in some years and in the longer term little of it. This means the only hope iScotland has is to be become an low tax, low spend enterprise culture to expand your economy and balance the books with low public spend. A kind of "Thatcherism Max". In the long term it might work, but needs a lot of pain in the medium term and a total cultural change.
In the meantime, with no currency of your own, you'll need to balance the books which meansd big, big spending cuts after indpendence and that's before you add on all the extra costs of running your own tax system, civil service, defence, diplomatic service, security etc. all of which will lose the economies of scale of the costs being spread over 65 million people instead of 5.
Guam said:
McWigglebum4th said:
You have fkwits down south too
Don't forget in 1997 and 2001 everyone in scotland could of voted Tory and you would of still had Tony Blair as PM
Our face painted morons are in a minority
I dont think even in Tower Hamlets they sold their ballots on Ebay though kwits down south tooDon't forget in 1997 and 2001 everyone in scotland could of voted Tory and you would of still had Tony Blair as PM
Our face painted morons are in a minority
doogz said:
Edinburger said:
Not sure I agree with you there. You see - referendum aside for a sec - the SNP are at least a credible alternative to the Lib/Lab/Con crowd. They've been a good government for Scotland with a track record of delivering on their promises.
If the result is No, I don't see their position shifting much at future elections.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_04_11_labourdoc.pdfIf the result is No, I don't see their position shifting much at future elections.
Plasticspoon said:
Are you telling me that something that has not happened yet is the truth?
The truth regarding this changes depending on who you ask.
The truth regarding this changes depending on who you ask.
Yes, for example if you ask the SNP, there will be a currency union with rUK. Whereas if you ask rUK they say "oh no there won't be". Given that it would require both countries to agree to a currency union in order for a currency union to come into existence please can you explain why this is still even in doubt?
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