Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[whoami]

Big Rod said:

Murphy ruffles feathers again and gets physically assaulted purely for voicing his opinion, (or daring to set foot in Kirkcaldy!)

Sorry for the DR link...

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-...

Further antics of the great unwashed (and probably unwaged).

[Welshbeef]

Given Putin has just announced Ukraine is doing a Nazi WW2 on the Russian people in Ukraine and that it intends to enhance its military defence in the Artic - anyone still wanting to get rid of Trident?


Thought not

A Billy big balls Putin with lower GDP than UK thankfully we do have Nuclear power to fend off such issues.

How would SNP approach him? Um given his colleagues consider the UK irrelevant guess Scotland doesn't even register on his horizon.

[ralphrj]

Welshbeef said:

How would SNP approach him?

With open arms I suspect.

John Swinney: Well Alex. We've won independence, got a geographic share of the oil and closed Faslane but we haven't got a currency union, we spend money like water, we're shut out of the EU, the rUK vetoed our application to join NATO due to the huge cost we landed them for relocating Trident and the Groat is currently worth less than a Zimbabwean Dollar. Basically we're fked.

Alex Salmond: I've got a great idea!

<Picks up phone>

Alex Salmond: Get me the Kremlin!

<Half an hour later>

Alex Salmond: No, I'm telling you "Scotland". It IS a real country!

<Another half hour later>

Alex Salmond: Listen Vlad. How much would you pay for a nuclear submarine base with great access to the Atlantic?

[Funk]

Axionknight said:

Plasticspoon said:

Well this is obviously being ignored and looks like it will be a real problem, no amount of "you will be in deep st if you do this" is changing anything.
I only wanted to comment on the divorce analogy as I do not have the capacity to understand all the implications while everyone else seems to know exactly what will happen, which changes depending on who you ask.
Everyone I talk to or listen too is so sure of what will happen, I am not.
If this is a divorce, it's going to be messy and happen in the middle of the street in front of all the neighbors.

Whose fault is that? rUK's, who have simply stated they will do their best to protect the interests of rUK and its financial situation with regards to currecy, the central bank, LOLR etc, or iScotlands idiots like Salmond, Swinney et al who time and time again have lied about the future of an iScotland and what it would recieve from rUK?

Salmond: We will have a currency union with rUK, it makes sense.
Swinney; We've already spoken to the BOE about it too!
"rUK": We don't feel this is in our interests in the event of a yes vote, it won't be happening.
Salmond: Och, of course it will, its common sense, I haven't even thought of an alternative!
"rUK": Nah, sorry, we aren't willing to take the risk.
Salmond: BLUFF AND BLUSTER!

You forgot this bit:

Swinney; We've already spoken to the BOE about it too!
BOE: No you haven't, you liar.

[MintyChris]

Piersman2 said:

'“She stepped in when this guy started picking a fight with a photographer for being English...'

But remember everyone, it's not an anti-english thing, it's all about the scottish national identity.

To be fair if the whole of the UK was Scottish, the nats would find a reason to hate.

I cant remember where but I read that research suggested people from poorer areas with lower levels of education were mor elikely to vote yes. I can quite believe this looking at these stories.

This is about poorly educated, ignorant people releasing their lifes frustrations on the most obvious target.

This also explains as to why the SNP's dumbed down campaign full of lies is doing so well.

I really think the No Campaign needs to step up though, a tv address should be done. It's needs to very publicly rubbish these SNP claims and make an emotional case for the Union.

[mcdjl]

MintyChris said:

To be fair if the whole of the UK was Scottish, the nats would find a reason to hate.

If many of the Scottish nationalists were English they'd be UKIP supporters.

[Cobnapint]

Moonhawk said:

I'm not sure exactly what victory Salmond thinks he has won here.......nobody has ever said iScotland can't call their currency "pounds".

He knows damn well he hasn't won anything. He's just relying on the fact that his thick-as-highland-cattlest followers don't understand the subject and will stay on the band-wagon. Dangerous man.

[Nick Grant]

Piersman2 said:

'“She stepped in when this guy started picking a fight with a photographer for being English...'

But remember everyone, it's not an anti-english thing, it's all about the scottish national identity.

And still no statement from Salmond condeming this behaviour.

[Wombat3]

Plasticspoon said:

andymadmak said:

Yes, for example if you ask the SNP, there will be a currency union with rUK. Whereas if you ask rUK they say "oh no there won't be". Given that it would require both countries to agree to a currency union in order for a currency union to come into existence please can you explain why this is still even in doubt?

Well this is obviously being ignored and looks like it will be a real problem, no amount of "you will be in deep st if you do this" is changing anything.
I only wanted to comment on the divorce analogy as I do not have the capacity to understand all the implications while everyone else seems to know exactly what will happen, which changes depending on who you ask.
Everyone I talk to or listen too is so sure of what will happen, I am not.
If this is a divorce, it's going to be messy and happen in the middle of the street in front of all the neighbors.

Divorce is in fact a bad analogy. Its more like when you choose to leave a job.

When you get divorced there are rules, procedures and laws that govern what happens - especially with the finances.

When you leave a job, you can try & negotiate to keep your mobile phone, laptop & company car and ask for your salary to be paid in perpetuity. Its not likely to happen though is it? You'll get a certain amount but don't expect much in the way of generosity.


When you leave a job if you turn round and slag off your colleagues (even before you've left), its not very likely you would be welcomed back with open arms & quite likely you'd find them not really wanting to drink with you in the pub after work either., even though you now only work next door.

If you were stupid enough to slag off your colleagues BEFORE you had even secured your new job and then didn't get it (even though you thought it was a dead certainty) and so ended up staying with your current employers well, that might not make for terribly good relations in the future either would it?

[A.J.M]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Don't blame the guy really, he's been given some serious abuse from people.

What was that about shutting down debating or other peoples right to talk on subjects?

This was the guy who helped people from the Clutha pub accident, hardly someone who doesn't care for Scotland or it's people...

[MintyChris]

A.J.M said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Don't blame the guy really, he's been given some serious abuse from people.

What was that about shutting down debating or other peoples right to talk on subjects?

This was the guy who helped people from the Clutha pub accident, hardly someone who doesn't care for Scotland or it's people...

Dissapointingly I missed his trip up here. I would of liked to have gone along and checked out the yes crowd in person. See if I could of engaged them in a reasoned debate......

[Moonhawk]

MintyChris said:

I cant remember where but I read that research suggested people from poorer areas with lower levels of education were mor elikely to vote yes. I can quite believe this looking at these stories.

It is an irony that those who most desire this 'land of milk and honey' that the YeSNP are peddling - will be the ones least likely to contribute towards its upkeep post independence.

[barryrs]

Moonhawk said:

MintyChris said:

I cant remember where but I read that research suggested people from poorer areas with lower levels of education were mor elikely to vote yes. I can quite believe this looking at these stories.

It is an irony that those who most desire this 'land of milk and honey' that the YeSNP are peddling - will be the ones least likely to contribute towards its upkeep post independence.

Taadaa

http://www.statista.com/statistics/297390/voting-i...

[gofasterrosssco]

A.J.M said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Don't blame the guy really, he's been given some serious abuse from people.

What was that about shutting down debating or other peoples right to talk on subjects?

This was the guy who helped people from the Clutha pub accident, hardly someone who doesn't care for Scotland or it's people...

Can you imagine the uproar from the nats if it was one of their speakers.. They'd milk every piece of political capital from it and claim Westminster was behind such an undemocratic act of sabotage, trying to supress the settled will of the Scottish people..

[Borghetto]

Plasticspoon said:

I am not sure why me taking an analogy a bit further and having a tongue in cheek comment about it has elicited this kind of reaction from you.
At this point, I am very suspect of the emotional content of the "facts" that are being told to me from both sides.
No amount of shouting and name calling will have an effect on me any more, not saying this has been directed me but it is certainly "flying" at the moment.

I think it should be very easy for you to make up your mind. In the union what you've got now is pretty much what you'll have if you vote no. If you are dissatisfied with what you've got and believe the arguments put forward by the SNP then vote yes. This cobblers we hear from Scots who keep saying the union has to show me why they should remain in, irritates the life out of me. The union doesn't have to do anything, after all the union aren't even being given a vote. If Scotland decides to go, good luck. If you find the exit negotiations don't quite go according to the SNP manifesto - well that's just too bad; there wont be much crying south of the border. In the short term we'll all be poorer having to pay for this circus and if this leads to resentment in the rUK and a much less friendly relationship, thank the SNP and their anti-English rhetoric.

[bullies180]

I've just been looking at the facebook pages from both sides. The one thing that strikes me is now how divided Scotland is and how they have done that to themselves. Its quite bizarre!

[Mojocvh]

mcdjl said:

MintyChris said:

To be fair if the whole of the UK was Scottish, the nats would find a reason to hate.

If many of the Scottish nationalists were English they'd be UKIP supporters.

No they wouldn't.

[McWigglebum4th]

The stupid

it burns

[Mojocvh]

Moonhawk said:

MintyChris said:

I cant remember where but I read that research suggested people from poorer areas with lower levels of education were mor elikely to vote yes. I can quite believe this looking at these stories.

It is an irony that those who most desire this 'land of milk and honey' that the YeSNP are peddling - will be the ones least likely to contribute towards its upkeep post independence.

Unlike the silent majority.

[Funk]

McWigglebum4th said:

The stupid

it burns

Would that be counted or would it be classed as spoiled?