Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[MintyChris]

The people in that video are a disgrace. Shameful behaviour. If I was there I honestly think I would of struggled not to knock some of them out...Makes me so angry.

These people remind me of these equally pleasant chaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

Vote Yes...The start of the end of democracy and free speech.

[davepoth]

S13_Alan said:

Anyone seen something online that does an easy to follow explanation of the difference between using a currency and having a currency union?

I'd like to link to something in a dicussion that looks a bit more official, like as proper evidence to back me up, rather than just relying on what I've written.

I'll give it a go.

If a country is just using a currency, if you have £10 a week, you have £10 a week, just like the man in the street. Very simple. But critically, you only have as much money as you have in your pocket, and if you owe someone £10 you would have to give them that £10. You'll have trouble trying to persuade the bank manager to give you a loan.

If you have your own currency, consider that you have that £10 a week in shiny gold coins, But in your other pocket, you have a very small printing press. If you owe someone your £10, you can give them the coins, or print a £10 IOU note, give that to them, and still have your £10 left. Go and spend it on crisps.

However, if you give out too many IOUs, people will start to wonder whether you have any gold to give them, or if you spent it all on crisps. They might come and ask you for the £10, but if you have spent it all on crisps they'll probably give you a slap.

There is a third option, the currency union. Your next door neighbour George has £100 a week in gold coins in his pocket. He's very good about printing IOUs, doesn't spend it all on crisps, and nobody ever gives him a slap.

You're quite friendly with George even though you keep forgetting to give him back the lawnmower you borrowed. You pop round one evening and say to him:

"Hello George. I've got a great idea. How about if we take my £10, your £100, and buy a pair of giant comedy trousers big enough for two people. I'll take the left leg with the little printing press in the pocket, and you have the right leg with the coins. I promise I won't print too many IOUs, and I definitely won't hide behind you if a someone comes to give me a slap. I'll even give you your lawnmower back if you agree. What do you think?"

[McWigglebum4th]

NoNeed said:

Funk said:

NoNeed said:

budgie smuggler said:

NoNeed said:

budgie smuggler said:

NoNeed said:

http://www.bettertogether.net/blog/entry/snp-gover...

What about if they put the price up to match ours at £9k or whatever it is, then issue grants to their students to cover it?

They would have to issues grants to German, French and Spanish too and still exclude the English.

Are you saying that they would be forced to issue grants to other EU students, or that they would choose to do so?

They will not be able to do anything different with English students so if they offer grants to one group of EU students they will have to be offered to all.

I wonder how many English students would want to study in Scotland after seeing such overt levels of racism and anti-English rhetoric?

This doesn't exist http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org...

Ask Trollbuger

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

[Welshbeef]

McWigglebum4th said:

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

The comments on that and similar linked articles are very aggressive and clearly things which people wouldn't say face to face but are brave behind keyboard

[blinkythefish]

McWigglebum4th said:

NoNeed said:

Funk said:

NoNeed said:

budgie smuggler said:

NoNeed said:

budgie smuggler said:

NoNeed said:

http://www.bettertogether.net/blog/entry/snp-gover...

What about if they put the price up to match ours at £9k or whatever it is, then issue grants to their students to cover it?

They would have to issues grants to German, French and Spanish too and still exclude the English.

Are you saying that they would be forced to issue grants to other EU students, or that they would choose to do so?

They will not be able to do anything different with English students so if they offer grants to one group of EU students they will have to be offered to all.

I wonder how many English students would want to study in Scotland after seeing such overt levels of racism and anti-English rhetoric?

This doesn't exist http://www.scottishrepublicansocialistmovement.org...

Ask Trollbuger

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

He claims that the no campaign were saying inflammatory things too, yet every clip I've seen all the Yes mob are all videoing it. Did they buy cheap crap recorders that fail to video no nastiness, or is it the usual nat "you're doing it too" lying crap.

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

Why would you be ashamed of your nationality due to some loud mouth nutter? There's plenty of fantastic Scottish people, it seems odd to focus on the few morons.

I doubt many people are ashamed to be English due to people rioting in London or some guy from Bradford who becomes a jihadist.

There's a lot of hysterics in this thread.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

Disgraceful.

And this is why the 'no' voters are relatively silent (publically at least) compared to the 'yes' folks - I'm still confident it will be a 'no' vote and the bookies agree with me.

https://m.oddschecker.com/t/politics/british-polit...

Hardly a surprise considering every poll has been in favour of a no vote.

Like in Quebec, most of the undecided will be no voters also.

[///ajd]

el stovey said:

McWigglebum4th said:

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

Why would you be ashamed of your nationality due to some loud mouth nutter? There's plenty of fantastic Scottish people, it seems odd to focus on the few morons.

I doubt many people are ashamed to be English due to people rioting in London or some guy from Bradford who becomes a jihadist.

There's a lot of hysterics in this thread.

You are right. Just treat him like a nutter from the BNP etc.

As long as there are no photos on the net of this Bill Ogilvie guy standing next to the First Minister, smiling and doing something jointly for publicity or something. Thats when you should start to worry.



Oh dear. Alex, do you know who your mates are?

[Janluke]

McWigglebum4th said:

And this guy is a figment of my imagination

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/settler-...


Quite frankly i am ashamed to be scottish these days

Thanks SNP

Don't be

I'm an English White settler :-) lived in the Highlands and now the central belt for over 10 years. Only once in all that time has someone had an issue with my race(on Skye as it happens)Most of my friends are voting No but even the guys voting yes have not brought up the fact that I'm English in debating independence(beyond a wee bit of banter). I don't believe the "nasty nats" online or out hassling Jim Murphy are typical of most of the Yes voters(at least in my personal experience) For the record I'm voting No but love Scotland and will do my best t make it work whichever way the vote goes

[Welshbeef]

///ajd said:

You are right. Just treat him like a nutter from the BNP etc.

As long as there are no photos on the net of this Bill Ogilvie guy standing next to the First Minister, smiling and doing something jointly for publicity or something. Thats when you should start to worry.



Oh dear. Alex, do you know who your mates are?

Does seen a lot to answer for really the ProYes

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Really? Yet Scotland contributes more than it's population share to the UK Treasury. We get back in the devolved settlement plus our allocated share of UK spend less than we send to the Treasury and that has been the case for 33 years. It is the UK that is spending more than it earns.

Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.

Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?

Last five years - Scotland has spent £40bn more than its taxed. Last year we spent £65bn and taxed £53bn. Taxation in Scotland didn't even cover identifiable expenditure.

IIRC since 1980 the figures show Scotland has spent about £20bn more than its taxed too.

The SNP attitude towards national finances is "spend as much as possible". They can't borrow money and they're hardly going to underspend, are they?

I don't believe your figures. Screenshot your source and post it or I will be inclined to think you have made it up/misunderstood/lied.



Even by your previously preferred method of "percentages" that you don't understand, Scotland spends more than it earns.

Scotland with Scotland's oil = 9.1% of UK revenues
Scotland spending = 9.3% of UK spending.

Edited by simoid on Saturday 30th August 11:06

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/78...

Edited by simoid on Saturday 30th August 11:07

[Welshbeef]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Really? Yet Scotland contributes more than it's population share to the UK Treasury. We get back in the devolved settlement plus our allocated share of UK spend less than we send to the Treasury and that has been the case for 33 years. It is the UK that is spending more than it earns.

Assuming agreement on a fair division of the assets Scotland's debt to GDP ratio is 74% and rUK's 89% (2016 projections PSND basis - Source London based NIESR). That is a 15% differential. The more important figures are the Maastriicht debt/GDP ratios Scotland 86%, rUK 102% - a 16% differential.

Tell us again about the SNP and their attitude towards national finances?

Last five years - Scotland has spent £40bn more than its taxed. Last year we spent £65bn and taxed £53bn. Taxation in Scotland didn't even cover identifiable expenditure.

IIRC since 1980 the figures show Scotland has spent about £20bn more than its taxed too.

The SNP attitude towards national finances is "spend as much as possible". They can't borrow money and they're hardly going to underspend, are they?

I don't believe your figures. Screenshot your source and post it or I will be inclined to think you have made it up/misunderstood/lied.



Even by your previously preferred method of "percentages" that you don't understand, Scotland spends more than it earns.

Scotland with Scotland's oil = 9.1% of UK revenues
Scotland spending = 9.3% of UK spending.

Edited by simoid on Saturday 30th August 11:06

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2014/03/78...

Edited by simoid on Saturday 30th August 11:07

And it totally ignores the legacy 1707-1981 why?

Utterly stinks of help help were in trouble we pay up to help our friends out then when they have a bounty its actually heck lets feck off ignore the debt we have built up or not contributed pre 1981.


Just simply bizarre and also not a friendly way of doing business. Its odd that Salmond keeps using the phrase our closest friends south of the boarder - if that ltd how by want to treat close friends it speaks volumes

[Moonhawk]

Welshbeef said:

And it totally ignores the legacy 1707-1981 why?

Yep - I asked that question on page 131 of this thread (as well as several times over the past few months) - funnily enough it seems to have been ignored.

Odd - nationalists are usually so reliable and prompt in answering questions like this.......

Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 30th August 12:34

[Moonhawk]

a311 said:

The sinister side of the Yes campaign.....

The tap has well and truly been turned on......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDi1OXJn4Vw&fe...

Let's be honest - we all knew this was going to happen.

Nationalists may be able to put on a face of respectability for a while - but as the date gets closer and they still appear to be onto a loser - their desperation and hatred will bubble to the surface and they will show their true colours.

It's pretty ironic considering many of the Yes campaigns soundbytes have been about democracy, fairness, caring, inclusivity and the scottish peoples ability to have their voice heard. Nationalists in my experience don't have an overly developed sense of irony though.

[pcvdriver]

Here is a man who tells it like it is.....from personal experience.... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=4417573626318... Let's see the usual bunch try tell us he doesn't know what he's talking about..... Discuss!!!...

[Mr_B]

Why don't you tell us what you took from that speech and what you think it means ?

[nellyleelephant]

Mr_B said:

Why don't you tell us what you took from that speech and what you think it means ?

Hopefully it means they'll get more Yes votes so we can finally be rid of the moaning fks.

[McWigglebum4th]

£1000 at a bookies of your choice that you will lose the referendum


You man enough?

[TheEnd]

When the Ambassador to Uzbekistan talks, YOU LISTEN.

[Mojocvh]

So they will stoop to compare Scotland to Uzbekistan to gain credence ?

What did that diplomat do to get sent there, that's what needs addressing first.