Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Welshbeef]

NoNeed said:

Except it isn't a Tory policy it's an EU policy and what quite a few people do not realise is that if we deny a big German health company access to our market they are able to sue us.

This is an old report but explains it better. The EU will privatise the NHS and the SNP wants into the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/...

Burger Fluffnick PVC driver XJS driver black swan Vincter prince bent over - care to share your thoughts on this and why Scotland wants to move towards this policy?

[NoNeed]

Oakey said:

pcvdriver said:

And just how many replies in are you before mentioning it? The date was what made me make up my mind to bring people's attention to it.... It's nearly a year since it happened, but it seems the police have more important things on their minds.

Let's cats (oops, cast) our minds back about the woman caught on CCTV dumping a cat in a wheelie bin - within a day or two the footage was released to the public and she was quite rightly named and shamed (as well as prosecuted too for good measure)......

As you were Oakey......

That's odd, because the way you phrased your Original Post was to suggest that a politician campaigning for 'No' was getting more media coverage than a 'Yes' campaigner who had been assaulted.

So now, having had it pointed out to you that assault happened a year ago, you're going to try and claim that you knew that all along and that was actually the deciding factor for your post? Despite the fact you never mentioned any of this whatsoever to begin with?

So basically, what you really wanted to know, is why a politician who was egged recently is getting more media coverage than a random pensioner who was assaulted a year ago? Do you think it's for the same reason that all the other assaults that no doubt happened throughout the country a year ago also didn't get widespread national media coverage?

You're so full of st it's leaking out of your ears. Now, don't you have to get back to flagellating yourself with thistles to purge yourself of your English?

It's a lie anyway as Salmond has said many time (and at 46:22 in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iVtzLDQtT4 clip) Nobody has had so much as a nose bleed in the campaign for independence and he wouldn't lie would he?

[NoNeed]

Welshbeef said:

NoNeed said:

Except it isn't a Tory policy it's an EU policy and what quite a few people do not realise is that if we deny a big German health company access to our market they are able to sue us.

This is an old report but explains it better. The EU will privatise the NHS and the SNP wants into the EU.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/...

Burger Fluffnick PVC driver XJS driver black swan Vincter prince bent over - care to share your thoughts on this and why Scotland wants to move towards this policy?

It would be nice if they did but as we know the EU is built on a collection of trade agreements that is essentially a capitalist experiment dressed up to fool the socialists.

What the socialists don't seem to be asking is for right for citizens such as housing/homes they will moan about a bedroom tax that isn't a tax yet ignore the fact the millions don't even have a bedroom.

[Oakey]

NoNeed said:

It's a lie anyway as Salmond has said many time (and at 46:22 in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iVtzLDQtT4 clip) Nobody has had so much as a nose bleed in the campaign for independence and he wouldn't lie would he?

Let's give him a chance to reply with some more furious backpedalling, just so there's no confusion, here's his original post;

pcvdriver said:

Just as news emerges that Jim Murphy's "attack" may have come from his own security team, or worse still UK security services, he still proclaims that the yes side are responsible for him having to cancel his 100 day tour.

Whilst in Edinburgh, an old man in his 80's was physically assaulted, suffering a broken wrist and cuts and bruises in the process of campaigning for the Yes side. Yet oddly enough the only newspaper to run with the Story was the Edinburgh Evening News. Link: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/scottis...

I hope Edinburgh's CCTV, of which there is plenty of around the Royal Mile is able to be used to identify her, so the police can catch up with this woman and have a wee word.

If, as is being claimed that the "attack" on Jim Murphy was a stunt so he could make his vile remarks, then there should be a calls for his resignation. For Darling to tell lies in a debate is one thing, but for an MP to actively seek to create a false situation in order to bring disrepute on an opposing side is simply intolerable. Jim, yer tea's oot!!!

Where in the bolded part is there any suggestion this happened a year ago? He makes it sound like a recent event!

What a plonker

[AstonZagato]

I believe pcvdriver is currently banned from this thread - so I don't think he will be able to answer. The mods have obviously merged a separate thread he started on "press bias" into this one. I wonder if they did it to enrage him further? Or it is an MI5 plot (I saw one of the mods with an earpiece, running away from the thread).

[Oakey]

That's a real shame.

Coincidentally, someone else compared the Jim Murphy egging to that OAP assault on another forum within the last few days;

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26...

and here:

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/...

What are the chances!? Funny how a load of Yes voters have latched on to the OAP story within a few days of each other. Could it be they're all regurgitating the same, incorrect, bullst?

Edited by Oakey on Sunday 31st August 11:21

[NoNeed]

In that clip where Salmond claim "not so much as a nose bleed" from MAY yet we have sturgeon responding to yessers sending death threats in march.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/463823/SCOTLAND-A...


Some how it's not a peaceful as that liar Salmond is making out as we know that violent attacks especially against the English are still rising and have done for 4-5 years.


But strange that Salmond failed to mention pensioners and broken arms in his Bruges speech.

Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 31st August 11:20

[anonymous-user]

AstonZagato said:

I believe pcvdriver is currently banned from this thread - so I don't think he will be able to answer. The mods have obviously merged a separate thread he started on "press bias" into this one. I wonder if they did it to enrage him further? Or it is an MI5 plot (I saw one of the mods with an earpiece, running away from the thread).

[cardigankid]

ianrb said:

simoid said:

cardigankid said:

Because we see ourselves as British, certainly not French.

Can anyone explain why rUK would want to have anything to do with a currency union, or why Scotland would want to tie itself to the Pound Sterling if it could have German backed Euros?

The Yes camp high heid yins have decided that the best way to further their cause is to say we'll get a currency union (while knowing the UK would reject this idea) so they can further enhance their preferred image of the "bullying UK".

A majority of people in Scotland want to continue using the pound, so AS has simply said to them that after independence they would be able to. He hasn't bothered explaining the problems with his proposed solution, whatever that may be this week.

There are so many unresolved problems here that it's scary. The old Pound Scots ran at 14 to the Pound Sterling. That is liable to be where we get back to if as I would expect we are not immediately taken into the Euro, do not get a Currency Union, and have to run a parallel Pound Scots. For sure, in the event of a Yes vote, likely in my view, the Scottish Notes currently printed by CB, RBS and BoS will never be accepted in England (where currently they are accepted with reluctance) so nobody will want to hold them.

The decision will be an emotional one - no amount of argument is going to make a whit of difference - and imho it is going to be a Yes vote. I will be delighted to be proved wrong.

Then the trouble is going to start. The whole messy business on unscrambling the Union is going to throw up the real problems. How are they going to define who is a Scottish citizen? What about the large minority who see themselves as British? Will they get English passports, as they (me included) don't want Scottish ones? Is the idea of Britishness over? Are we going to be culturally classified as Anglo-Saxons and Gaels? For sure, I don't believe I am either, or Norman for that matter and sure as f--k I am not going to learn Gaelic.

[Welshbeef]

Would it be a bad thing if Scotland went directly for the €?

[Troubleatmill]

Welshbeef said:

Would it be a bad thing if Scotland went directly for the €?

As they wouldn't be in the European Union... they would get all of the hassle and none of the benefits.
eg. Can't control interest rates, no lender of last resort etc etc.

[davepoth]

Troubleatmill said:

Welshbeef said:

Would it be a bad thing if Scotland went directly for the €?

As they wouldn't be in the European Union... they would get all of the hassle and none of the benefits.
eg. Can't control interest rates, no lender of last resort etc etc.

Exactly the same as going for the pound then.

[McWigglebum4th]

Troubleatmill said:

Welshbeef said:

Would it be a bad thing if Scotland went directly for the €?

As they wouldn't be in the European Union... they would get all of the hassle and none of the benefits.
eg. Can't control interest rates, no lender of last resort etc etc.

If our leaders had an IQ larger then their ego they would of publicly asked to join the EU and the euro

Instead we get lies and secrecy

[Troubleatmill]

davepoth said:

Troubleatmill said:

Welshbeef said:

Would it be a bad thing if Scotland went directly for the €?

As they wouldn't be in the European Union... they would get all of the hassle and none of the benefits.
eg. Can't control interest rates, no lender of last resort etc etc.

Exactly the same as going for the pound then.

Yup - they are all bad options.

[Willy Nilly]

Right, in the event of a Yes vote and the Scots deciding to use the £ and obviously having no say in how the £ is run. Could the rUK bankrupt iScotland then buy it back for a song?

[Chlamydia]

deadslow said:

Chlamydia said:

Oh look, here's pcvdriver's daily thread on Scottish independence thinly veiled as a thread about something other than Scottish independence as he's banned from the thread about... Scottish independence.
Wasn't yesterday's thread about Murphy too?
I won't end this post with your usual, "As you were", because in your case " As you were " would mean you posting ANOTHER bloody thread about Scottish independence! If you'd learned to play with the grownups you'd still be allowed to post on the original thread.

wow, very nasty and aggressive.

This was a separate thread that's been merged by the Mods because pcvdriver is banned from this thread so he seemingly daily starts another thread with his ranting hoping to antagonise others into arguing with him again - the reason he was banned from this thread. Admittedly he succeeded in pushing my buttons this time and I apologise for my mini-rant.

[Troubleatmill]

Willy Nilly said:

Right, in the event of a Yes vote and the Scots deciding to use the £ and obviously having no say in how the £ is run. Could the rUK bankrupt iScotland then buy it back for a song?

Have you seen the SNP maths? Scotland will bankrupt itself on its own accord.

[McWigglebum4th]

Troubleatmill said:

Have you seen the SNP maths? Scotland will bankrupt itself on its own accord.

Do you think they could manage to bankrupt scotland before the first election

[Welshbeef]

Willy Nilly said:

Right, in the event of a Yes vote and the Scots deciding to use the £ and obviously having no say in how the £ is run. Could the rUK bankrupt iScotland then buy it back for a song?

Well from a yes vote 19/9 to exit of UK they will have to run a balanced budget ie they will have to find cuts of £10billion

[Troubleatmill]

PLEASEDELETE said:

If a Scots businessman decides to move house from, say, Peebles to Berwick, therefore domiciled in England, to whom will he pay his taxes. Uk or Scottish govt?

More importantly his business head office.