Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
simoid said:
Rick_1138 said:
Seeing more and more massive Yes banners going up, but on my way to work starting to see lots of the big purple No Thanks banners which is heartening.
Come the Yes vote, we are packing bags and looking to move to her parents in Formby.
Drove past Drymen etc recently and there's a few No Thanks banners (3 I think) on a fairly small stretch of road.Come the Yes vote, we are packing bags and looking to move to her parents in Formby.
Would it help a no vote if every no voter started displaying that they were going to vote no?
Just another way to divide the population, or negating the effects of the yes stickers littered (literally....) everywhere?
It's incredible what difference a couple of miles make. The road to Crieff is the polar opposite with regards to visible support to the road through Callander. Quite striking actually.
Based on the anger towards, and hatred of, anyone who dares question the yeSNP propaganda I don't think it is surprising that there aren't many No Thanks posters. People don't want their car wrecked or their window smashed or to be attacked, so they keep quiet. So much for a fairer society in an independent Scotland, it will only be fair if you agree with the SNP.
And before any of our resident nationalists try and tell me it's not about the SNP, who will be in charge of the negotiations? who wanted this vote? Democracy is dying in Scotland and it's the nationalists that are doing it.
And before any of our resident nationalists try and tell me it's not about the SNP, who will be in charge of the negotiations? who wanted this vote? Democracy is dying in Scotland and it's the nationalists that are doing it.
simoid said:
It is rather exciting that folk are voting just now.
Do we get to hear any of the postal results, or are they just released when everything else is counted on the 18th/19th?
Postal votes are only verified at this stage. The local authority I am involved with (as election agent) has daily openings - the signature/DOB of the elector is scanned and compared against the PV application form. Once it is verified the ballot paper is placed in a sealed box which will be opened at 10pm on the 18th and counted. I visited the first opening as an observor and a huge number had already been returned on the first day (the day after they were received by electors) - the papers are opened upside down so you don't have any opportunity to "sample".Do we get to hear any of the postal results, or are they just released when everything else is counted on the 18th/19th?
tim0409 said:
Postal votes are only verified at this stage. The local authority I am involved with (as election agent) has daily openings - the signature/DOB of the elector is scanned and compared against the PV application form. Once it is verified the ballot paper is placed in a sealed box which will be opened at 10pm on the 18th and counted. I visited the first opening as an observor and a huge number had already been returned on the first day (the day after they were received by electors) - the papers are opened upside down so you don't have any opportunity to "sample".
So it is checked that you aren't voting twice thenAs the Nats as losing their postal votes and getting another one so they can vote twice
vote YES for democracy
McWigglebum4th said:
So it is checked that you aren't voting twice then
As the Nats as losing their postal votes and getting another one so they can vote twice
vote YES for democracy
Nationalists dont understand much else about the economy, government, currency, europe etc. Its understanable they dont quite grasp Democracy.As the Nats as losing their postal votes and getting another one so they can vote twice
vote YES for democracy
tim0409 said:
Postal votes are only verified at this stage. The local authority I am involved with (as election agent) has daily openings - the signature/DOB of the elector is scanned and compared against the PV application form. Once it is verified the ballot paper is placed in a sealed box which will be opened at 10pm on the 18th and counted. I visited the first opening as an observor and a huge number had already been returned on the first day (the day after they were received by electors) - the papers are opened upside down so you don't have any opportunity to "sample".
Thanks for the insight 
Mr Daytona said:
Genuine question this, so be gentle but if (and I would stress if only) Scotland did vote in favour of a independence and effectively leave the Union, could the remaining Union members. "ask" those Scots who live/work here to return home ?
Depends how you define "Scottish".I consider myself Scottish, I was born in England, my mother and 3 of my grandparents were born in Scotland. The fourth was born in England. My father was born in Iraq where his father was an ex-pat. I was brought up in Scotland and lived there from age 1 to age 28. Then I lived in France for 2 years, back in Scotland for 2 years, England for 5 years, France again for 3 years and now back in England for the last 8 years. I have a Scottish accent, I support the Scottish national sports teams at everything they play, I do not support "whoever plays England".
I cannot vote in the Referendum as I am resident, and vote-registered, in England. I have no say in the future of my heritage country, nor the future of the Union, which annoys me a little. I will not say how I would vote.
But I do have a say in the future of my current home country and my local government. That's how things should be. If Surrey wanted to vote for devolution or independance, I would have a say - I would vote "NO".
So - am I Scottish, English, French or Iraqi? I reckon I'm culturally Scottish (my choice), ethnically 75% Scottish (my birth heritage) and politically English (my current choice).
Anyway, to answer your question, I would expect that Scots who are vote-registered in Scotland could be considered as "visitors" elsewhere (unless they have dual-citizenship). I imagine that they would need to undergo some kind of permit system if Scotland exits the EU.
GetCarter said:
A friend of mine today pulled out of a house purchase. Convinced prices will fall in three weeks if Yes get their way.
Not blaming him in any way - but many people simply don't understand what we mean by the damaging effects of uncertainty on an incredibly fragile thing like the economy:Person A doesn't buy a house, person B doesn't get their house sold and move on, removals company don't get their money, lawyers miss out, painters and decorators don't spruce up these new houses, B&Q doesn't sell the paint, etc
I wonder how fast our economy would be growing were it not for the SNP.
thepawbroon said:
Mr Daytona said:
Genuine question this, so be gentle but if (and I would stress if only) Scotland did vote in favour of a independence and effectively leave the Union, could the remaining Union members. "ask" those Scots who live/work here to return home ?
Depends how you define "Scottish".I consider myself Scottish, I was born in England, my mother and 3 of my grandparents were born in Scotland. The fourth was born in England. My father was born in Iraq where his father was an ex-pat. I was brought up in Scotland and lived there from age 1 to age 28. Then I lived in France for 2 years, back in Scotland for 2 years, England for 5 years, France again for 3 years and now back in England for the last 8 years. I have a Scottish accent, I support the Scottish national sports teams at everything they play, I do not support "whoever plays England".
I cannot vote in the Referendum as I am resident, and vote-registered, in England. I have no say in the future of my heritage country, nor the future of the Union, which annoys me a little. I will not say how I would vote.
But I do have a say in the future of my current home country and my local government. That's how things should be. If Surrey wanted to vote for devolution or independance, I would have a say - I would vote "NO".
So - am I Scottish, English, French or Iraqi? I reckon I'm culturally Scottish (my choice), ethnically 75% Scottish (my birth heritage) and politically English (my current choice).
Anyway, to answer your question, I would expect that Scots who are vote-registered in Scotland could be considered as "visitors" elsewhere (unless they have dual-citizenship). I imagine that they would need to undergo some kind of permit system if Scotland exits the EU.
It would be ridiculously expensive to work out
A) who counts as Scottish
And
B) who wanted to be.
As a result, the most likely question will be B) only.
simoid said:
Not blaming him in any way - but many people simply don't understand what we mean by the damaging effects of uncertainty on an incredibly fragile thing like the economy:
Person A doesn't buy a house, person B doesn't get their house sold and move on, removals company don't get their money, lawyers miss out, painters and decorators don't spruce up these new houses, B&Q doesn't sell the paint, etc
I wonder how fast our economy would be growing were it not for the SNP.
Anyone who shops in B&Q after the great revolution will be executed Person A doesn't buy a house, person B doesn't get their house sold and move on, removals company don't get their money, lawyers miss out, painters and decorators don't spruce up these new houses, B&Q doesn't sell the paint, etc
I wonder how fast our economy would be growing were it not for the SNP.
Have noticed over the past week people I know who have been keeping to themselves and not wanting to get involved becoming pretty vocal about how fed up they are with being called traitors or anti Scottish for simply asking for evidence and pointing out nonsense when they hear it.
It's very good to see!
(That these people are saying something against it, not the large portion of the people are clearly as bright as a blackout.)
It's very good to see!
(That these people are saying something against it, not the large portion of the people are clearly as bright as a blackout.)
mpire said:
I live in a small town of about 8000 .... quite a few houses with " yes "
on them and equally some with " no ", including one chap with a foot high
" wally dug " (ask someone) Bulldog, dressed as John Bull resplendent with about
as many Union Jacks and " no thanks " stickers as is possible to display in the space available.
Nobody has had their " windaes panned in " yet ... to my knowledge. But maybe we're just better behaved round here.
Most of the No Thanks banners round my area have been destroyed/vandalized and I am not willing to take the risk of displaying one on my car or property. I have posted off my no vote.on them and equally some with " no ", including one chap with a foot high
" wally dug " (ask someone) Bulldog, dressed as John Bull resplendent with about
as many Union Jacks and " no thanks " stickers as is possible to display in the space available.
Nobody has had their " windaes panned in " yet ... to my knowledge. But maybe we're just better behaved round here.
Guam said:
AstonZagato said:
Has the Rev Stu moved back to Scotland in order to be eligible to vote?
The last time I looked, he hadn't.
Didn't he once promise that he would?
He likely bought his Ballot on Ebay The last time I looked, he hadn't.
Didn't he once promise that he would?
I seem to remember you being sure he would move back. Are you disappointed he hasn't?
fluffnik said:
Is the (r)UK Treasury planning on defaulting on UK Treasury debt?
If not there will be no default, Scotland has no debt.
Hey Fluff lend me £20 would you....If not there will be no default, Scotland has no debt.
I borrowed £20 of a mate (who went overdrawn to pay for it), then called off the friendship, so now the debt is his, and he's refusing to talk to me any more. But you'll lend me £20 right?
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