Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Funk]

ralphrj said:

Moonhawk said:

There is also a massive flaw in that approach. The current GDP per capita figure has been obtained while Scotland is still part of the UK.

It's a rather large assumption on the nationalist side that iScotland's GDP would be the same or larger when it exits the UK.

Correct.

How much of Scotland's GDP is from the Financial Services sector which, without a lender of last resort, is likely to relocate?

How much of Scotland's GDP is from the shipbuilders which will no longer be awarded contracts to build ships for the Royal Navy?

How much of Scotland's GDP is from the over representation of UK government departments which will be transferred back to rUK?

Etc.

That was the point I was making (badly).

Scotland is only where it is because it's in the Union and to assume that's the baseline is a very, very foolish mistake to make.

[McWigglebum4th]

Munter said:

Axionknight said:

In the event of a Yes vote and the promises of all and sundry being made, I can't wait to see the backlash when it becomes apparent that the Yes voters utopia wont be forthcoming - hilarious.

That's the scary point.

19th Sept: A Yes win announced
20th Sept: Negotiations start
25th Sept: SNP lie lie lie lie some more
26-28th Sept: Nats get totally pissed

18 months later Salmond has a big ceremony and is crowned king

20 months later Salmond moves to the USA and starts a very lucrative speaking tour

21 months later Scotland is looking for an IMF bailout

I get very drunk and die laughing

EFA

[Moonhawk]

Einion Yrth said:

The Japanese are making some very decent whiskies these days.

Indeed - I had a very nice one a couple of years back. May need to start broadening my whisk(e)y horizons a little more often.

Of course we also have the rUK's offerings in the form of Irish, English and Welsh whisk(e)y - which I suspect will see a marked upturn in sales post a yes vote.

[Grumfutock]

Guam said:

Grumfutock said:

I agree but think there should be a win for the Yes. That way when it does all go Pete Tong they cant say anything, they got what they asked for. Personally I wouldn't let them back in but if they were allowed back at least there wouldn't be any whinging like this for decades.

No no no wash your mind out this instance, the Brethren should never ever ever be re-admitted, its like marrying your EX after a messy Divorce its not going to end any better than the last time!

I did say "I wouldn't let them back in" didn't I!

[SilverSixer]

Munter said:

Einion Yrth said:

Moonhawk said:

How much is from trade/sales into England, Wales and NI - some of which may dry up if people in these regions perceive a Yes vote as a kick in the teeth.

The Japanese are making some very decent whiskies these days.

They make ships as well I believe.

The Irish have a good whisky business going also. Might ... pass on their ships though....

Decent whiskies made in England and Wales now too. Penderyn is a doozie.

Speaking as an English born person of Scottish parentage, I'd be very sad to see a Yes vote. Seeing myself as neither English nor Scottish but British, it'd be the end of my country to me. I have always supported the Scottish sports teams though, partly out of a love of the underdog, partly out of pride in being different at school (many years ago), partly out of genuine love for a place I've never lived in but thoroughly adore every time I go there (often).

Please don't go. My kilts and Scotland rugby shirts are in the fire if you do. And my ticket to the Wales game at Murrayfield next year will be on eBay.

[Grumfutock]

This might be a silly question and forgive me if it has already been asked.

This is a Scottish referendum, right? How come it is a Yes/No question then? Surely it should be a choice between Aye/Nae?

[Calvib]

Inextricably moving towards a YES vote. Better Together don't learn from their lessons. Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Preparing for our DAY OF DAYS!



http://youtu.be/pNCFR8SqioE

[Grumfutock]

Guam said:

Indeed but contemplation that the Government would is where the rot sets in
We have to prepare for the weasel dipsticks in Parliament trying that on!

Repeat after me: No right of return, no right of return, no right of return!

Ah but it would be on our terms! No bloody whining, bhing, moaning or bellyaching allowed!

[NoNeed]

Guam said:

Calvib said:

Inextricably moving towards a YES vote. Better Together don't learn from their lessons. Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Preparing for our DAY OF DAYS!



http://youtu.be/pNCFR8SqioE

Now dont be a tease, you go Brother you win this one and set us all free from your bullst.

Dont fail us here in the South, get the job done!

For myself and every other English Tory this vote is a win win.

[McWigglebum4th]

Calvib said:

Inextricably moving towards a YES vote. Better Together don't learn from their lessons. Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Preparing for our DAY OF DAYS!



http://youtu.be/pNCFR8SqioE

Will you be able to run a GTR on benefits in the free workers republic of scotland?

[confused_buyer]

Calvib said:

Inextricably moving towards a YES vote. Better Together don't learn from their lessons. Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Before you get too excited remember the Yes vote were 6 points ahead in the polls in Quebec and still lost.

I agree it could still go either way, and the polls have to be taken with a big pinch of salt in all directions, but you need a few consecutive polls actually showing Yes ahead before deciding it is all over. The YouGov poll is bassed on about 40 people changing their minds so who knows how accurate the sample is.

Survation, which have always shown it close, show 53 No and 47 Yes but they showed that in April.

If there has been a signicant shift in the last couple of weeks then we need to wait for a few more polls to say for sure.

[Grumfutock]

Guam said:

See its a;ready happening, no terms none nada Zilch, clean break full on Divorce and we find new partners and move on its the only way, any other results in heartbreak and recriminations.

We have had centuries of bks since the last time we did that, why leave ourselves open to another few centuries of the same st?

In that case can I suggest Tahiti as our "new partner". Maybe Cyprus or Las Vegas? Just some where half decent for holidays.

[Moonhawk]

Calvib said:

Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Must be taking tips from Yes supporters then - they were pulling that kinda s#it weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiZsxaU5Th4

[FNG]

Calvib said:

Inextricably moving towards a YES vote. Better Together don't learn from their lessons. Latest ads suggesting that if you vote YES you don't love your family - own goal of the highest order. I hope these morons keep it coming!

Preparing for our DAY OF DAYS!



http://youtu.be/pNCFR8SqioE

Of course, it is eminently sensible to vote based wholly on which campaign seems to shoot itself in the foot the most / least.

Don't let minor details like 'issues' bother yer heid will you?

[Calvib]

doogz said:

Please, come back here after we vote no.

Given that not a single poll has shown YES in the lead, why do you think it's going to go that way?

So 'we' are going to vote no, are we? WTF are 'we'?!

And there are MANY polls that have shown a YES lead...

[Grumfutock]

Calvib said:

So 'we' are going to vote no, are we? WTF are 'we'?!

And there are MANY polls that have shown a YES lead...

Aye, all paid for by the Yes campaign!

[NoNeed]

Calvib said:

doogz said:

Please, come back here after we vote no.

Given that not a single poll has shown YES in the lead, why do you think it's going to go that way?

So 'we' are going to vote no, are we? WTF are 'we'?!

And there are MANY polls that have shown a YES lead...

There is only one place to get a true reflection.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-polit...


Bookies know their stuff.

[Grumfutock]

Try the BBC for polls, they have 6 on there and none suggest it will be a Yes vote (sadly)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/...

[Moonhawk]

Calvib said:

And there are MANY polls that have shown a YES lead...

I have seen a few lists of consolidated poll results - none of them would have what I would describe as "MANY" polls showing a yes lead.

This list for example shows Yes with only a marginal lead (1% in both cases) in two out of 98 polls - and they are from 2011 and 2013 respectively.

Not a single poll taken in 2014 has shown a Yes lead according to this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_t...

[Munter]

Moonhawk said:

Calvib said:

And there are MANY polls that have shown a YES lead...

I have seen a few lists of consolidated poll results - none of them would have what I would describe as "MANY" polls showing a yes lead.

This list for example shows Yes with only a marginal lead (1% in both cases) in two out of 98 polls - and they are from 2011 and 2013 respectively.

Not a single poll taken in 2014 has shown a Yes lead according to this list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_t...

Nat supporter in "Barefaced lie" shocker.