Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5
Discussion
Zod said:
Edinburger said:
Interesting angle from The Guardian which makes good reading:
Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
Monbiot 
Edinburger said:
Interesting angle from The Guardian which makes good reading:
Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
The article only deals with emotional issues, and pretty tenuous ones at that. It completely ignores how dependent we are on the Union. So England is not some Communist utopia, is that a good reason to throw our entire nation's future down the pan?Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
The Yes campaign keeps banging on about how it will be able redistribute so much more than we do already if it has total control of its own welfare state. What good is that extra control if there's nothing to redistribute?
As above, we stand to lose most of the oil and the businesses associated with it. No business leader with any sense is going to stay here if an iScotland is going to go raiding their business to make good the Yessirs' daft promises. The financial sector will decamp South where they have the security of a lender of last resort. The manufacturing sector will go elsewhere in Europe, the EU has been pretty clear that we will have to apply through Art.49; that means we would need to successfully run our own currency with a LOLR for at least 2 years and then we have to gamble on Spain and Belgium not vetoing our application.
So yes, an iScotland would be more equal: we'd all have the square root of f
k all. Hooray brothers, we have conquered the inequality imposed upon us by the nasty UK. The article is bks.Edinburger said:
Interesting angle from The Guardian which makes good reading:
Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
The author used to sit on the fence too. See if you can spot it.Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
Type into google: George Monbiot scotland independence
Edinburger said:
Interesting angle from The Guardian which makes good reading:
Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
So much straw I could bed a horse down for the night.....Scots voting no to independence would be an astonishing act of self-harm. England is dysfunctional, corrupt and vastly unequal. Who on earth would want to be tied to such a country?
Would an independent Scotland be affected by the possible EU boycott of the 2018 World Cup?
swamp said:
Would an independent Scotland be affected by the possible EU boycott of the 2018 World Cup?
Not when Alex holds Putin in such high regard.swamp said:
Would an independent Scotland be affected by the possible EU boycott of the 2018 World Cup?
They won't even qualify, so I'd say the issue is moot, they are even worse than England - which is saying something.Christ you know there's a problem when people start quoting Monbiot as a source 
What I'm confused about is the attitude some of the Nats have that independence will be a big poke in the eye to the rUK. In reality what I can see is that most of the rest of the UK really couldn't care less, they are just stunned that people would risk everything on promises that just don't hold water. More than this they are risking it for the rest of Scotland that DON'T want it. Say the vote went 51/49 to the Nats, they may be happy with the risk but they are forcing almost half of the population to take that risk with them when they don't want to. This is not going to end well whatever happens.
What I'm confused about is the attitude some of the Nats have that independence will be a big poke in the eye to the rUK. In reality what I can see is that most of the rest of the UK really couldn't care less, they are just stunned that people would risk everything on promises that just don't hold water. More than this they are risking it for the rest of Scotland that DON'T want it. Say the vote went 51/49 to the Nats, they may be happy with the risk but they are forcing almost half of the population to take that risk with them when they don't want to. This is not going to end well whatever happens.
Chlamydia said:
Christ you know there's a problem when people start quoting Monbiot as a source
What I'm confused about is the attitude some of the Nats have that independence will be a big poke in the eye to the rUK. In reality what I can see is that most of the rest of the UK really couldn't care less, they are just stunned that people would risk everything on promises that just don't hold water. More than this they are risking it for the rest of Scotland that DON'T want it. Say the vote went 51/49 to the Nats, they may be happy with the risk but they are forcing almost half of the population to take that risk with them when they don't want to. This is not going to end well whatever happens.
They are guaranteeing themselves a generation of financial hardship which is sad because only the poorest will suffer greatly, the rich like Alex Salmond will be fine - he will be lording it and make a lot of money, the rest of the Scots will lose a lot and it will take a long time to recover. What I'm confused about is the attitude some of the Nats have that independence will be a big poke in the eye to the rUK. In reality what I can see is that most of the rest of the UK really couldn't care less, they are just stunned that people would risk everything on promises that just don't hold water. More than this they are risking it for the rest of Scotland that DON'T want it. Say the vote went 51/49 to the Nats, they may be happy with the risk but they are forcing almost half of the population to take that risk with them when they don't want to. This is not going to end well whatever happens.
They ought to have needed a 75% majority - at least that way there would be no doubt that the vast majority were in favour.
But having said that, if they want independence then they should have it - it will affect rUK for a short while but in a year or two we will have recovered and they will be facing bills for billions - but that's their choice and it's not for me to stop them.
Axionknight said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I hear on the jungle drums that quite a few oil industry plans have been placed on hold
Geeee i wonder why
Full steam ahead where I work, the trees are all going abroad though - Indonesia, Africa and Australia.Geeee i wonder why
Scotlands oil industry
isn't about pumping oil
It is engineering excellence and knowledge
All of which can move
Oakey said:
Twilkes said:
What is the precedence for this, can you link to some examples?
[on the train I overheard "Salmond's like a clown driving a bulldozer" which sums up many of my observations better than I ever could]
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b609d594-97cc-11e3-ab60-00144feab7de.html#axzz3CH6l1k1c[on the train I overheard "Salmond's like a clown driving a bulldozer" which sums up many of my observations better than I ever could]
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And so to Scotland. Britain’s rules on ownership of natural resources were clear well before oil was discovered; the UK Continental Shelf Act was passed in 1964. Before the discovery of oil in 1969, the Scots opted heavily against independence: in the 1966 general election the Scottish National party failed to win a single seat. The subsequent rise of Scottish nationalism, supported by the slogan “It’s Scotland’s oil”, is evidently in part an attempt at a retrospective resource grab. The 8 per cent of Britons who live in Scotland are between them entitled to an 8 per cent share of the proceeds from the British oil that has already been discovered, some of it in Scotland – no more, no less. If, after independence, some priceless new resource were discovered in the Highlands, it would be exclusively Scottish. Conversely, if it were discovered in Surrey, the Scots would miss out.
And so to Scotland. Britain’s rules on ownership of natural resources were clear well before oil was discovered; the UK Continental Shelf Act was passed in 1964. Before the discovery of oil in 1969, the Scots opted heavily against independence: in the 1966 general election the Scottish National party failed to win a single seat. The subsequent rise of Scottish nationalism, supported by the slogan “It’s Scotland’s oil”, is evidently in part an attempt at a retrospective resource grab. The 8 per cent of Britons who live in Scotland are between them entitled to an 8 per cent share of the proceeds from the British oil that has already been discovered, some of it in Scotland – no more, no less. If, after independence, some priceless new resource were discovered in the Highlands, it would be exclusively Scottish. Conversely, if it were discovered in Surrey, the Scots would miss out.
McWigglebum4th said:
Which is one of the facts the Nats will never ever ever ever realise
Scotlands oil industry
isn't about pumping oil
It is engineering excellence and knowledge
All of which can move
I work in Aberdeen and with the work situation being as good as it is I could see a lot of people ending up miffed and looking to go elsewhere if their taxes were to rise in the event of a Yes vote - almost everyone I know is voting no and many of them despise the idea of their taxes going up to pay for the Yessers pipe dream socialist utopia.Scotlands oil industry
isn't about pumping oil
It is engineering excellence and knowledge
All of which can move
George111 said:
.......the rich like Alex Salmond will be fine - he will be lording it and make a lot of money, the rest of the Scots will lose a lot and it will take a long time to recover.
It is ironic that the leader of this socialist revolution will be creaming it in a few years from public speaking and consultancy services......Much like Tony Blair - the poster boy for the working mans party - Labour.......who has probably accumulated more wealth since leaving office than most if not all Tory party combined.
I work with a retard
IDIOT We must leave the UK because Boris Johnston is going to make us leave the EU and that would be a financial disaster and you wouldn't be able to pay your mortgage
ME But a YES vote sees us leave the EU
IDIOT I know but that is different i think scotland should leave the EU
IDIOT We must leave the UK because Boris Johnston is going to make us leave the EU and that would be a financial disaster and you wouldn't be able to pay your mortgage
ME But a YES vote sees us leave the EU
IDIOT I know but that is different i think scotland should leave the EU
McWigglebum4th said:
I work with a retard
IDIOT We must leave the UK because Boris Johnston is going to make us leave the EU and that would be a financial disaster and you wouldn't be able to pay your mortgage
ME But a YES vote sees us leave the EU
IDIOT I know but that is different i think scotland should leave the EU
IDIOT We must leave the UK because Boris Johnston is going to make us leave the EU and that would be a financial disaster and you wouldn't be able to pay your mortgage
ME But a YES vote sees us leave the EU
IDIOT I know but that is different i think scotland should leave the EU
Edited by Moonhawk on Thursday 4th September 08:20
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