Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

[Funk]

At least it's helping you identify those around you who may previously have managed to trick you into thinking they were intelligent.

[McWigglebum4th]

Funk said:

At least it's helping you identify those around you who may previously have managed to trick you into thinking they were intelligent.

That is about the only upside of this

all the car owners in scotland have been asked if they are idiots

Which is why you see so many with a YES sticker on the boot

[bigkeeko]

Could have been a spanner in the works...........


http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/s...

[bigkeeko]

McWigglebum4th said:

I work with a retard


IDIOT We must leave the UK because Boris Johnston is going to make us leave the EU and that would be a financial disaster and you wouldn't be able to pay your mortgage

ME But a YES vote sees us leave the EU

IDIOT I know but that is different i think scotland should leave the EU

I`ve heard worse. Or to be more accurate, I`ve heard more ridiculous.

I`ve just blocked an idiot on facebook for claiming her Yes votes stems from the UK government not legalising cannabis. She is unemployed (unemployable).


I`ve also witnessed this gem. "I don`t care if the economy suffers. We`ll be free".

[Moonhawk]

bigkeeko said:

I`ve just blocked an idiot on facebook for claiming her Yes votes stems from the UK government not legalising cannabis. She is unemployed (unemployable).

Must have missed that page in the white paper - then again with some of the stuff nats have been coming out with - I think some may have ripped it out and smoked it

[ralphrj]

bigkeeko said:

I`ve also witnessed this gem. "I don`t care if the economy suffers. We`ll be free".

I would have more respect for the Yes campaign if this was their slogan.

It is the claim that somehow independence will bring unlimited wealth and prosperity that is a joke.

[ralphrj]

McWigglebum4th said:

I hear on the jungle drums that quite a few oil industry plans have been placed on hold


Geeee i wonder why

Almost certainly going to be disruption to investment until the issue is resolved. In the event of a Yes vote and no agreement between Edinburgh and London over the split it could go to arbitration at the International Court of Justice. The ICJ will give a definitive answer but the quickest decisions tend to take at least 3 years, sometimes more than 10.

[toppstuff]

ralphrj said:

bigkeeko said:

I`ve also witnessed this gem. "I don`t care if the economy suffers. We`ll be free".

I would have more respect for the Yes campaign if this was their slogan.

It is the claim that somehow independence will bring unlimited wealth and prosperity that is a joke.

Indeed.

It is quite clear that it does not matter how logical or fact-based the No campaign can be - there are plenty of people who will vote Yes in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Good luck to them.

This is like watching a family member jump off a bridge, convinced they can fly.

[Big Rod]

Guam said:

bigkeeko said:

Could have been a spanner in the works...........


http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/s...

You couldn't make it up, so after all this bks and years of bile, the result could be set aside by a court, oh please that is too delicious to contemplate!

Oh no! Please! I don't want it dragged out any longer than it needs to be.

[Moonhawk]

Guam said:

bigkeeko said:

Could have been a spanner in the works...........

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/s...

You couldn't make it up, so after all this bks and years of bile, the result could be set aside by a court, oh please that is too delicious to contemplate!

Well - at least if that happens - old "double ohhh sheven" might get to have his say afterall...........how long does a postal vote from the Bahamas take to arrive back in the land of freedom?

[jamiebae]

Guam said:

bigkeeko said:

Could have been a spanner in the works...........


http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/s...

You couldn't make it up, so after all this bks and years of bile, the result could be set aside by a court, oh please that is too delicious to contemplate!

That article is dated in March, so surely we'd have heard more since then if it was going to have an impact?

Again though, someone is saying Scotland will work like Switzerland. This is the same Switzerland which has an unemployment rate of 2.9% (this hasn't been higher than 4.2% in the last 15 years), and a tax rate in single figures for some cantons, and less than 20% for everywhere. Scotland has unemployment of 6.9%, and an NHS to pay for as well as a bloated public sector, so how on earth does it expect to function like Switzerland?!

[toppstuff]

jamiebae said:

That article is dated in March, so surely we'd have heard more since then if it was going to have an impact?

Again though, someone is saying Scotland will work like Switzerland. This is the same Switzerland which has an unemployment rate of 2.9% (this hasn't been higher than 4.2% in the last 15 years), and a tax rate in single figures for some cantons, and less than 20% for everywhere. Scotland has unemployment of 6.9%, and an NHS to pay for as well as a bloated public sector, so how on earth does it expect to function like Switzerland?!

If Scotland was like Switzerland I would move there.

It will never be. Scotland wants to be a socialist democracy. Switzerland is anything but that.

[simoid]

Popped up on my Facebook: someone voting yes and expectin we will be broke and in financial trouble for a decade:



I don't know what is more worrying:

Voting yes in the expectation of an easy ride, or;
Voting yes in the expectation of years of financial turmoil.

There isn't enough wtf in the world.

[Rollin]

If people can't adapt to Scotland being in the UK, they won't be able to do so in nScotland.

[simoid]

I'm rather uncertain about the process for what happens after a "yes" vote.

More specifically: what happens negotiations wise if a stalemate occurs?

The Scottish negotiating team Shirley wouldn't accept the UK offer of 8.3% oil, 8.3% debt, no currency union... would they?

I fail to see why the UK team would accept anything other than that.

I don't think Scotland can play the "we can make this difficult and take ages..." card as it will almost certainly harm us more than anyone. Mind you, we've already voted to cut our nose off by this point, might as well decapitate ourselves.

(There was a serious question in there for anyone that could help. Does stalemate = court, or simply no independence?)

[Moonhawk]

simoid said:

I don't think Scotland can play the "we can make this difficult and take ages..." card as it will almost certainly harm us more than anyone. Mind you, we've already voted to cut our nose off by this point, might as well decapitate ourselves.

It would be difficult for them to play such a card - because it is they who have set a tight deadline for independence should a Yes vote happen.

The pressure would be on the Scottish politicians to deliver on that promise - whereas rUK has no mandate to honour it and could sit out the negotiations until the conditions are met.

[Rollin]

It's another example of Salmond's ineptness when he signed the Edinburgh agreement. Who decides what's fair and reasonable? He didn't think about that and whoever it is, it won't be nScotland.

[Garvin]

simoid said:

Popped up on my Facebook: someone voting yes and expectin we will be broke and in financial trouble for a decade:



I don't know what is more worrying:

Voting yes in the expectation of an easy ride, or;
Voting yes in the expectation of years of financial turmoil.

There isn't enough wtf in the world.

But at least this is an honest approach that I can understand and respect. If the yes campaign were based on the acceptance that for 10 years or so iScotland will be much worse off before things improve with some honest financial assessment to back that up then I would fully respect the yes campaign although I would still think it misguided.

[jamiebae]

simoid said:

Popped up on my Facebook: someone voting yes and expectin we will be broke and in financial trouble for a decade:



I don't know what is more worrying:

Voting yes in the expectation of an easy ride, or;
Voting yes in the expectation of years of financial turmoil.

There isn't enough wtf in the world.

Actually, if all Yes voters were that enlightened and this was their reason for their vote then I'd have a lot more respect for them. This is someone making a choice based on their beliefs and values, as opposed to the promise of a money tree and a Buckfast fountain for anyone joining the SNP cause.

[Garvin]

simoid said:

I'm rather uncertain about the process for what happens after a "yes" vote.

More specifically: what happens negotiations wise if a stalemate occurs?

The Scottish negotiating team Shirley wouldn't accept the UK offer of 8.3% oil, 8.3% debt, no currency union... would they?

I fail to see why the UK team would accept anything other than that.

I don't think Scotland can play the "we can make this difficult and take ages..." card as it will almost certainly harm us more than anyone. Mind you, we've already voted to cut our nose off by this point, might as well decapitate ourselves.

(There was a serious question in there for anyone that could help. Does stalemate = court, or simply no independence?)

A yes vote merely gives Scotland the mandate to negotiate the terms of independence but, having said that, it would be churlish of the rUK to deliberately derail that so there will have to be compromises on both sides which will inevitably mean rUK tax payers picking up some of the bill for iScotland excesses. However, I believe the rUK government will get short shrift from the rUK electorate if it goes easy on Scotland in those negotiations.