Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 5

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Edinburger said:

Ajd - you are an utter bell end.

You're trying to incite hatred where none exists. How dare you compare Nazi persecution of Jews to your fabricated hatred of England by Scots?

Please explain the "fact that pcv and burger think their 'race' of scots is fairer, purer and more morally upstanding than other lesser 'races', like those evil tory englanders".

What the fk are you talking about?

Bell end is a great insult, but on this occasion not warranted.

What I'm talking about is how Nationalists, through the generations have the same strategy. Demonise a group, turn it into a figure of hate, and use it to unite another group.

This is happening with the SNP. You say they are not doing this, they are not inciting hate, none exists? Really, well I can tell you that the venom and bile from the Yes campaign feels pretty real when you are on the end of it. This is also typical of the Yes sheep and followers of nationalists in the past - they don't see the evil until way too late. They justify in their own minds - just as you have done above - that discriminating against the english is ok as they 'deserve it'.

Its ugly, you appear to be a part of it - and it originates from the SNP, nowhere else. Face it!

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McWigglebum4th said:

I love scotland it is a brilliant place to live and i have a great job earning good money without having to live in that sthole that is the southeast of england which lets be honest is an unfriendly overcrowded expensive toilet.

I used to think the people were kind, wise and decent folk.

But i now now starting to see that people like fluff. blackviper and the arse PCV might be the majority


In which case where the fk can i go to?


I'm not frightened of moving away from the UK as small countries like New Zealand can get on just great with a similar population while having no oil and being the middle of nowhere. Scotland should thrive with what we have and where we are.


What scares the st out of me.

The YES brigade and their racism and ignorance and burning burning envy.

When it all goes tits up which it will with those wkers in charge then they will fur on the oil industry and destroy it.

There is already mutterings within the class warriors that we should nationalise the power companies by force and i think the oil industry will be next.


Looking at those that bang the YES drum i don't think we will be New Zealand i think we will be nigeria which should be a global superpower with what they have. but it isn't its a backward tinpot sthole.

So YES voters if you to regain my support then please please please prove you and your leaders aren't morons

Nationalising the oil industry. There's a thought. The SNP could turn Scotland into Venezuela!

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Did you ever tell us those facts you were going to tell us after your whatever it was?

Oh no, of course you didn't, how silly of me.

I told you what I was able to.

See you're getting a proverbial kicking in the other Scottish independence thread!

No you didn't. You told us that your employers had looked into it, then refused to give us any idea as to the scale of costs for spurious reasons.

I must therefore conclude that you either don't know, or are embarrassed to tell us because it hurts the case for independence.

I wouldn't say I'm getting a kicking, however, as you're the expert in failed debating I'll take your observations on board.

[Borghetto]

McWigglebum4th said:

I love scotland it is a brilliant place to live and i have a great job earning good money without having to live in that sthole that is the southeast of england which lets be honest is an unfriendly overcrowded expensive toilet.

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I don't know where you get this idea about London and the South East, it has its stty parts, but then Scotland has its fair share too(Gorbals, Paisley etc. I can only imagine you have either never been to this part of the country or if you have its been a very short visit. There is a reason people come to London and SE and it is not just for the opportunities. I've worked in Scotland and it has some great parts, but don't kid yourself that it is a better place to live than London or the SE. The architecture and history of London is fantastic, it is SO MUCH better than it was when I was growing up there. The Home Counties are in large part beautiful and has some of the nicest towns to live in. Yes the better places are expensive, but when was that ever not the case anywhere.

[McWigglebum4th]

Borghetto said:

McWigglebum4th said:

I love scotland it is a brilliant place to live and i have a great job earning good money without having to live in that sthole that is the southeast of england which lets be honest is an unfriendly overcrowded expensive toilet.

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I don't know where you get this idea about London and the South East, it has its stty parts, but then Scotland has its fair share too(Gorbals, Paisley etc. I can only imagine you have either never been to this part of the country or if you have its been a very short visit. There is a reason people come to London and SE and it is not just for the opportunities. I've worked in Scotland and it has some great parts, but don't kid yourself that it is a better place to live than London or the SE. The architecture and history of London is fantastic, it is SO MUCH better than it was when I was growing up there. The Home Counties are in large part beautiful and has some of the nicest towns to live in. Yes the better places are expensive, but when was that ever not the case anywhere.

If you like living in a box then i sure london is great

I prefer to have a bit more space

My current place would probably be about X million at least inside the M25

But it would not exist inside the M25

[bodysnatcher]

McWigglebum4th said:

If you like living in a box then i sure london is great

you're in danger of sounding like the Yessers with their slightly xenophobic outlook about those of us south of Carlisle.

I left the beauty of residential Airdrie and central Glasgow employment 25 years ago. I moved to North Kent - not London, despite working right in the centre - taking a dip in housing quality, aye, even compared to Airdrie, but I was close to the top of the housing tree there. Slowly but surely moved up the housing chain again.

There are great places to live in England and st places in Scotland, just like Borghetto says.

[McWigglebum4th]

bodysnatcher said:

McWigglebum4th said:

If you like living in a box then i sure london is great

you're in danger of sounding like the Yessers with their slightly xenophobic outlook about those of us south of Carlisle.

I left the beauty of residential Airdrie and central Glasgow employment 25 years ago. I moved to North Kent - not London, despite working right in the centre - taking a dip in housing quality, aye, even compared to Airdrie, but I was close to the top of the housing tree there. Slowly but surely moved up the housing chain again.

There are great places to live in England and st places in Scotland, just like Borghetto says.

Some lovely areas in england

London isn't one

[nellyleelephant]

McWigglebum4th said:

Some lovely areas in england

London isn't one

Generalising the south east as just London is a long way from the truth though.....and it's not all crazy money.

[McWigglebum4th]

nellyleelephant said:

Generalising the south east as just London is a long way from the truth though.....and it's not all crazy money.

Does something with roughly 2 acres of land and no neighbours for 1/4 mile exit in the southeast for under £300K?

I'd be surprised

[toppstuff]

McWigglebum4th said:

nellyleelephant said:

Generalising the south east as just London is a long way from the truth though.....and it's not all crazy money.

Does something with roughly 2 acres of land and no neighbours for 1/4 mile exit in the southeast for under £300K?

I'd be surprised

Certainly not.

On the other hand, I think the place in the southeast would have you beat in terms of choices of places to eat, things to see and do, culture blah blah blah..

Not for me ( I live in a very quiet , deeply rural bubble hidden in the South of England ) but as a regular London visitor a couple of times a week, I have to say it is a pretty great city. If cities are your thing.

Anyway, this is O/T.

I see the Nats have run off given that we had them narrowed down to expecting answers to the usual questions. Funny how when we get back to the actual issues, the Nats run away...

[nellyleelephant]

McWigglebum4th said:

Does something with roughly 2 acres of land and no neighbours for 1/4 mile exit in the southeast for under £300K?

I'd be surprised

Obviously not, but it certainly isn't the hellhole you describe. I live in a quiet village in Herts, Tudor buildings, full range of small local shops, surrounded by countryside and it's not crazy money here!

[A.J.M]

Body snatcher is telling big fat lies!

I live 3 miles from Airdrie and I can say its a st hole!
Where abouts did you live in Airdrie...

[pcvdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

As that pair of clowns are always going on about how scotland is morally superior

Which is by any definition you want racist

Can't you see that?

I have never said Scotland is morally superior - more bullst and lies from Wiggly

McWigglebum4th said:

When the failed bus driver bangs on about racism being significantly less in scotland it is to say that scotland is better then england

Can you not see this?

I think Derek pointed out that there are discrepancies over the figures due to massaging of official statistics for political purposes. My figures came from the late 80's when I was doing a fifth year school project (figures supplied by local chief constable at the time).
Anecdotally, I was speaking from my friends' experiences North and South of the border. All of my non-caucasian friends have told me that they feel lots more racial tension South of the border than they do in Scotland.

McWigglebum4th said:

and when

One of your fellow YES campaigners says




Are you not even the slightest bit ashamed that idiots like this exist in Scotland

I am

Yes, I am ashamed of idiots like the muppet you have highlighted. Just so you understand and take on-board mentally (time to get the extra-thick crayons out, JUST FOR WIGGLY) I DO NOT FIND RACISM ACCEPTABLE!!! I ABHOR RACISM!!! RACISM HAS NO PLACE IN OUR MODERN WORLD!!!

[McWigglebum4th]

pcvdriver said:

Yes, I am ashamed of idiots like the muppet you have highlighted. Just so you understand and take on-board mentally (time to get the extra-thick crayons out I DO NOT FIND RACISM ACCEPTABLE!!! I ABHOR RACISM!!! RACISM HAS NO PLACE IN OUR MODERN WORLD!!!

So why did you expect racism to be lower in scotland?

[NoNeed]

pcvdriver said:

Yes, I am ashamed of idiots like the muppet you have highlighted. Just so you understand and take on-board mentally (time to get the extra-thick crayons out I DO NOT FIND RACISM ACCEPTABLE!!! I ABHOR RACISM!!! RACISM HAS NO PLACE IN OUR MODERN WORLD!!!

Yet you refuse to accept that vicious anti-English attacks from you countrymen that are on the increase are not associated with the YES campaign in any way. Yet anybody with any common sense, a pair of eyes and ears would know that the rhetoric being used is creating tension and situations that lead to this violence. Yet every year the SNP have been in office the figures have got worse year on year.


Oh and before you say that attacks against the English are not racist a Scottish judge has already rules otherwise.

[toppstuff]

pcvdriver said:

Yes, I am ashamed of idiots like the muppet you have highlighted. Just so you understand and take on-board mentally (time to get the extra-thick crayons out I DO NOT FIND RACISM ACCEPTABLE!!! I ABHOR RACISM!!! RACISM HAS NO PLACE IN OUR MODERN WORLD!!!

So, welcome back.

Lets get back to business.

1. Currency. No formal sharing. Scottish central bank will have to peg to the GBP. How much in reserves will you need to hold and what does this do the Salmonds sums? Has ANYONE done the maths?

2. EU at the very least deflects Scottish membership for a few years - at the worst even outright rejects it. What will you do?

3. Debts. What will you do?

4. UK moves shipyard business to UK. What will you do?

And this is only getting started...

If you can't at least pretend to answer these questions, then you have a new level of credibility which will have to go into negative numbers ( given that it is already Zero ).

Over to you.

[McWigglebum4th]

toppstuff said:

McWigglebum4th said:

nellyleelephant said:

Generalising the south east as just London is a long way from the truth though.....and it's not all crazy money.

Does something with roughly 2 acres of land and no neighbours for 1/4 mile exit in the southeast for under £300K?

I'd be surprised

Certainly not.

On the other hand, I think the place in the southeast would have you beat in terms of choices of places to eat, things to see and do, culture blah blah blah..

Not for me ( I live in a very quiet , deeply rural bubble hidden in the South of England ) but as a regular London visitor a couple of times a week, I have to say it is a pretty great city. If cities are your thing.

Anyway, this is O/T.

Hate london and hate cities

can't stand going into to them

nasty dirty crowded horrible places

I'd happily never go into a city ever again if i could

And that is without me having my slightly odd rants about london and black bogies

[nellyleelephant]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hate london and hate cities

can't stand going into to them

nasty dirty crowded horrible places

I'd happily never go into a city ever again if i could

And that is without me having my slightly odd rants about london and black bogies

Haha, black bogies, I agree with you there! For what it's worth, I love Scotland, particularly the Western Isles. It's somewhere where one day I would love to retire to, I just hope the nats don't fk it up!

[bodysnatcher]

A.J.M said:

Body snatcher is telling big fat lies!

I live 3 miles from Airdrie and I can say its a st hole!
Where abouts did you live in Airdrie...

OK, it was joke, those of you that know Airdie will see why Southeast England was appealing to this young lad.
Cairnhill
BTW

[bodysnatcher]

nellyleelephant said:

Haha, black bogies, I agree with you there! For what it's worth, I love Scotland, particularly the Western Isles. It's somewhere where one day I would love to retire to, I just hope the nats don't fk it up!

I was never a fan of city living either, which is why I have ALWAYS lived in a house where I could see green field from at least one window.
Currently on one of the Western Isles too, just hope the Nats don't fk up 2nd home owners who in their eyes are not Scottish.