Peaches Geldof found dead.
Discussion
Asterix said:
Crazy isn't it - you'd think knowing how your mother died and the damage it did to you and your family and what a selfish act it was would be a bit of an education.
You'd hope that it might but it's not exactly difficult to understand how it can so easily go the other way, is it? I'm not sure whats more shocking, the complete lack of empathy that a young girl has lost her life and the effect that will have on her family, or the obvious lack of any understanding about Heroin and the nature of the addiction hence the number of default "errr Junkie, Skag head etc comments"
Not gonna get drawn into an argument as this thread epitomises Keyboard Warriors
RIP Peaches, sorry you couldn't beat it
Not gonna get drawn into an argument as this thread epitomises Keyboard Warriors
RIP Peaches, sorry you couldn't beat it
If they were your average skag heads, I'd hope that social services would have taken the kids into care long before she managed to kill herself. O/D leaving a young child alone in the house is not on. Husband admitted to inquest that they both used heroin when the kids were in bed. Children shouldn't be raised in that environment. Apparently he's clean now, but then so was she, and he knew she'd relapsed but didn't do anything to protect the kids from her.
Grumfutock said:
She was born with more opportunities and wealth than 99.9% of us but still made that decision to jack up. She had a mother who did the same and therefore knows the pain it causes to the family left behind but again she decided to jack up.
We're not homogenous, our mental state is a carefully balanced composition of chemicals and significant events trigger new states over which we often have very little control. To say one person coped with a particular event so why shouldn't another or that she "should have learned" is the equivalent of me asking you why you can't run as fast as Usain Bolt. BJG1 said:
Asterix said:
Crazy isn't it - you'd think knowing how your mother died and the damage it did to you and your family and what a selfish act it was would be a bit of an education.
You'd hope that it might but it's not exactly difficult to understand how it can so easily go the other way, is it? I always thought (based on media portrayals) that she was a bit of a pain in the arse Trustafarian, until I saw her totally b
h-slap the odious Katie Hopkins on TV in her final weeks. She came across as rather nice. That she'd got hooked on smack is a tragedy, I feel for her kids growing up without their mum.
Years ago I would have considered her a spoilt little rich girl and had not a lot of sympathy. However, I since lived with the daughter of a very wealthy father, she had various issues with depression and self-esteem, it's not that simple as "loaded=should be happy with life" (although I personally would be!). My glass is usually half-full though.
h-slap the odious Katie Hopkins on TV in her final weeks. She came across as rather nice. That she'd got hooked on smack is a tragedy, I feel for her kids growing up without their mum. Years ago I would have considered her a spoilt little rich girl and had not a lot of sympathy. However, I since lived with the daughter of a very wealthy father, she had various issues with depression and self-esteem, it's not that simple as "loaded=should be happy with life" (although I personally would be!). My glass is usually half-full though.
it's perfectly possible to be a nice person and also be a drug addict - and it's a bit easier to do this if you have money. If you are a poor drug addict you often have to resort to crime in order to fund your habit.
Either way, it's shame that such a young woman lost her life in this way.
Either way, it's shame that such a young woman lost her life in this way.
BJG1 said:
Grumfutock said:
She was born with more opportunities and wealth than 99.9% of us but still made that decision to jack up. She had a mother who did the same and therefore knows the pain it causes to the family left behind but again she decided to jack up.
We're not homogenous, our mental state is a carefully balanced composition of chemicals and significant events trigger new states over which we often have very little control. To say one person coped with a particular event so why shouldn't another or that she "should have learned" is the equivalent of me asking you why you can't run as fast as Usain Bolt. Edited by Grumfutock on Wednesday 23 July 12:42
REALIST123 said:
BJG1 said:
Asterix said:
Crazy isn't it - you'd think knowing how your mother died and the damage it did to you and your family and what a selfish act it was would be a bit of an education.
You'd hope that it might but it's not exactly difficult to understand how it can so easily go the other way, is it? Peaches' mum died when she was 11 years old. I'm going to hazard a guess that her upbringing with Bob, a man who decided it was a good idea to call her Peaches, was not exactly perfect and that he probably spent quite long periods away from his kids. That may or may not be true, obviously I'm guessing but it helps with the narrative.
So we have an 11 year old girl dealing with the death of her mother that now has no maternal figure to help guide her through life. Her Dad is mega-famous, which can obviously bring about its own stress and pressures too. Let's say she really struggles to get over the loss of her mother throughout school - that once the grieving process is out of the way she still has this emptiness and longing inside of her, that no matter how hard she tries - she can't shake a seemingly inescapable feeling of sadness.
Some people manage to deal with such a tragedy, others don't. It's not a reflection on them, we're all wired differently. As I said earlier, we're not homogenous and our emotional state is a precariously balanced cocktail of chemicals and sometimes we have little control over how that changes.
Not everything is black and white. I'm sure if this were a suicide (the circumstances are similar) you'd say the same thing and I'd still be here telling you how desperately wrong you are. To go to such drastic levels to take a pain away indicates someone who's life has become a constant torment for them. Depression can eat away at you like the most vicious of cancers and is incredibly hard to fight when it reaches an advanced stage. You'll try anything just to feel an emotion again. You'll be absolutely torn apart by guilt, comparing your privileged position to those less fortunate and wondering how they cope, seeing the impact it has on those you love and eventually that can consume you and force you into doing drastic things.
There are people affected by her actions but she is the victim here. I can tell you with absolute certainty if I'd lost my Mum a few years ago I wouldn't have coped and wouldn't be here today. I don't think that makes me weak or selfish, I'm just incredibly grateful that to date I've managed to win my battle with mental illness and I have nothing but empathy for someone who hasn't. From bitter experience, it doesn't matter how much money you have or who loves you when you can't help but think you're at the bottom of a pit, alone with no chance of rescue and if there's a needle or a tub of pills next to you, not taking them takes a strength that's impossible to overstate when every fibre of your being thinks that's the only way to improve your situation.
A woman who chooses to inject herself with heroin whilst she has 2 children is most likely in an incredibly desperate state of mind. I find it a struggle to see the situation playing out as her just casually injecting herself because she was a bit bored. She might have been, of course, but seeing as we're all working on assumptions here I'm going to choose to believe it's likely she was in an incredibly bad place. If you've not been there, it's possibly hard to understand but I can attest to the fact it's not hard to find yourself in a situation where you feel like the only choice you have is to do something everyone else would think is stupid.
TTwiggy said:
Heroin is very cheap to manufacture. It used to be given away free to registered addicts. It could be again. Prohibition causes many many problems and solves none.
The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
You might want to address some of the questions from those who don't subscribe to the idea of simply making it legal is a sudden cure all for the vast majority of it's problems.The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
I think the naivety comes from those who simply post this with an inability to discuss any aspect of it.
rover 623gsi said:
it's perfectly possible to be a nice person and also be a drug addict - and it's a bit easier to do this if you have money. If you are a poor drug addict you often have to resort to crime in order to fund your habit.
Either way, it's shame that such a young woman lost her life in this way.
I've never smoked or taken drugs in my life, and I don't intend to start any time soon.Either way, it's shame that such a young woman lost her life in this way.
However, I am sure once you are "hooked" it is easier said than done to quit.
Makes sense to me not to start in the first place...it's not rocket science.
btw:- Mrs WR used to work in a drug shelter with young girls, some as young as twelve, and has seen some horrific effects at first hand......heartbreaking.
Mr_B said:
TTwiggy said:
Heroin is very cheap to manufacture. It used to be given away free to registered addicts. It could be again. Prohibition causes many many problems and solves none.
The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
You might want to address some of the questions from those who don't subscribe to the idea of simply making it legal is a sudden cure all for the vast majority of it's problems.The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
I think the naivety comes from those who simply post this with an inability to discuss any aspect of it.
If you really want to see my more detailed analysis, you're welcome to search back. This is a thread about the death of a young mother, so I'll not be going into a huge thread-derailing discussion here.
Mr_B said:
TTwiggy said:
Heroin is very cheap to manufacture. It used to be given away free to registered addicts. It could be again. Prohibition causes many many problems and solves none.
The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
You might want to address some of the questions from those who don't subscribe to the idea of simply making it legal is a sudden cure all for the vast majority of it's problems.The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
I think the naivety comes from those who simply post this with an inability to discuss any aspect of it.
Grumfutock said:
Mr_B said:
TTwiggy said:
Heroin is very cheap to manufacture. It used to be given away free to registered addicts. It could be again. Prohibition causes many many problems and solves none.
The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
You might want to address some of the questions from those who don't subscribe to the idea of simply making it legal is a sudden cure all for the vast majority of it's problems.The only naivety being shown on here is by those who can't see this. I'm sure it's purely circumstantial that the same group of people are also sorely lacking in any sort of sympathy.
I think the naivety comes from those who simply post this with an inability to discuss any aspect of it.
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