Peaches Geldof found dead.

[BJG1]

Don't think this is the best place for a legalise drugs discussion. It was done most recently here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

If you want to read a great argument for legalisation read the posts by DragonCaviar which start late in the thread

[Grumfutock]

Mr_B said:

Alcohol isn't heroine. Is it really as simplistic to say this was once banned and didn't work so any ban on anything cant work ? Seems to rather avoid discussing the specific subject at hand.

It is an addictive drug. I see many similarities.

[Legacywr]

She was unfortunate to have Paula Yates as a mother!

[Grumfutock]

Legacywr said:

She was unfortunate to have Paula Yates as a mother!

This is true.

[PoleDriver]

Mr_B said:

this was once banned and didn't work .

What do you actually mean by this phrase?

What do you understand as the expectations from banning anything?

ETA and when was it banned here?

Edited by PoleDriver on Wednesday 23 July 13:11

[Eric Mc]

Drifting off topic now.

[Mr_B]

Grumfutock said:

Mr_B said:

Alcohol isn't heroine. Is it really as simplistic to say this was once banned and didn't work so any ban on anything cant work ? Seems to rather avoid discussing the specific subject at hand.

It is an addictive drug. I see many similarities.

So are many things. Still avoiding talking any reasons for specifics though. You are only really saying this isn't banned so why not that. There's a ton of things in every area of life which are banned and some which are not.
The rather silly point made by others of your naive, unsympathetic, you don't get it because you don't subscribe to my thinking, is patronising and condescending.

[Grumfutock]

Eric Mc said:

Drifting off topic now.

Allow me sir.


Poor little rich girl, boohoo.

Better?

[Mr_B]

PoleDriver said:

Mr_B said:

this was once banned and didn't work .

What do you actually mean by this phrase?

What do you understand as the expectations from banning anything?

ETA and when was it banned here?

Edited by PoleDriver on Wednesday 23 July 13:11

My point was he was saying something was banned ( alcohol ) and that didn't work as the basis that it must be the same for anything else slightly similar. I don't believe that to be the case and wasn't sure why people can't talk on a specific subject.

[Grumfutock]

Mr_B said:

Grumfutock said:

Mr_B said:

Alcohol isn't heroine. Is it really as simplistic to say this was once banned and didn't work so any ban on anything cant work ? Seems to rather avoid discussing the specific subject at hand.

It is an addictive drug. I see many similarities.

So are many things. Still avoiding talking any reasons for specifics though. You are only really saying this isn't banned so why not that. There's a ton of things in every area of life which are banned and some which are not.
The rather silly point made by others of your naive, unsympathetic, you don't get it because you don't subscribe to my thinking, is patronising and condescending.

I think we are saying the same thing here. I agree completely with you that making this drug legal will not change a thing.

I have no time for the liberal do-gooding tree huggers who seem to find me unsympathetic and naive. Have they ever had 1st hand experience of drug addictions? Prob not!

[Koofler]

Let's not forget, amid the wailing and gnashing of teeth, that she was alone with her 11 month old child when she decided to jack up. That tells you all you need to know about her. She was no better than anyone else who would do the same. That she died rather than just got high is merely a sideline.

It seems she lied to her husband about her regular drug tests, although that just makes him a 'tard not not properly checking, and had been 'clean' from November to February - so how did he miss that?

If you think it's ok to jack up when in charge of your child then, sad but true, the world is better off without you. She had every opportunity to get help that is denied to so many others, so this is all the result of her selfishness.

Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but you pays money & you takes your chances.

[gpo746]

Eric Mc said:

The milk of human kindness oozes from every pore.

It's inevitable though. She had her cjhances she blew it.
You can only hope the child (ren) don't emulate her.
Some of the media lovvies that nigged her up badly miscalculated in calling her a role model ...........great mum....etc...snooze

Tell you who is a great mum. Nichola Mason up the road. She brings her kids up well goes to work takes responsibility and when she has her parties tells the neighbours beforehand invites some and no one kicks off. great girl great example. She won't get to be editor of some mother magazine.

[otolith]

Decriminalisation is an inherently libertarian idea. It's nanny state do-gooders who think we should be protected from ourselves. That's a political position, though. Attempts to reduce harm are a practical matter.

[Pixelpeep]

What was it someone said?

The media build you up, put you on a pedestal and then spend the rest of the time trying to find something to knock you off it

Regarding legalising drugs - many of you have probably seen this video of a retired US cop and his arguments for the legislation of drugs. very interesting.

worth a watch, regardless of your views. YouTube link

[mitzy]

Legacywr said:

She was unfortunate to have Paula Yates as a mother!

And Bob Geldof as a Dad.

I wonder how many blokes on here would would hold there wife in the same esteem as Peaches if she was shooting up at home with their kiddy
in the house alone.

I will save my sadness for people who dont have a choice of living.

[anonymous-user]

Double post.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 July 14:04

[anonymous-user]

I don't need to reply as much as I would have felt to as otolith has said just about everything I would say.

Prohibition = serious and organised crime which does immense harm on every imaginable scale.

The irony of people who think things like Cannabis and Ecstasy should be Illegal, when the worst drug (alcohol) is perfectly legal (but taxed and out the hands of organised crime on any meaningful scale).

Addiction and misuse is a medical problem, not a criminal one.

Mr_B said:

You might want to address some of the questions from those who don't subscribe to the idea of simply making it legal is a sudden cure all for the vast majority of it's problems.

It isn't a magic 'fix all', but taking the billions away from the worst, and most dangerous people in society and potentially placing them in the treasury would do untold good. There would be negative consequences, but we're trying to consider the 'least worst' option here.

[hidetheelephants]

Mr_B said:

Alcohol isn't heroine. Is it really as simplistic to say this was once banned and didn't work so any ban on anything cant work ? Seems to rather avoid discussing the specific subject at hand.

No, alcohol is much more harmful than diamorphine; you can't die of going cold turkey if you're on smack, whereas death and derangement is quite possible if you do not withdraw from alcohol properly.

La Liga said:

t isn't a magic 'fix all', but taking the billions away from the worst, and most dangerous people in society and potentially placing them in the treasury would do untold good. There would be negative consequences, but we're trying to consider the 'least worst' option here.

Be off with your common sense. You'll be suggesting nonsense like harm reduction next.

[drivin_me_nuts]

Pixelpeep said:

What was it someone said?

The media build you up, put you on a pedestal and then spend the rest of the time trying to find something to knock you off it...

Indeed. There will always be others who seem to take a delight in saying unpleasantness in the seeming failings of others. Somehow being a 'celebrity' gives so many the green light to vent forth the kind of things they would never dream of saying in the real world. I think a fair few enjoy the sensation of bathing their minds in their own bile. So much for human compassion.

I do hope that in time her children are able to establish something else in their life other than the weight and legacy of repeated matriarchal torments and early death.

[tenpenceshort]

I think what she did was stupid (in light of her mother's death) and selfish (she did it around her young children without properly considering the risks). However, I don't think she should be singled out for more criticism than any other junkie. She may have had money and some amount of fame, but neither of those things gives you a better chance of avoiding mental illness or addiction.

Whilst I see some merits in changes to the law surrounding drugs, I don't believe heroin is safe enough to be free from prohibition. We live in an imperfect world, so perhaps we shouldn't expect perfect solutions. I would prefer to live in a world where my children find it hard to get heroin and it is socially unacceptable to do so.