What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[league67]

don4l said:

league67 said:

So for all UKIP pushing him into the corner, the tangible result of all that pushing is? Let me help you out here. Do you think that Dave would offer referendum if UKIP didn't exist?

It's a yes / no question. Binary please. No stories.

No.

Don4l,

I disagree with, pretty much, everything you type. But I admire your standing for your beliefs. I do.

So, back to the important stuff. No referendum if UKIP didn't exist, no referendum after 15 years of lobbying (and taking salary and expenses and advances) and pushing people into the corner. Exactly the same result.

If anyone, in any professional function, fails to deliver main stated objective, or even means of achieving that (referendum), after 15 years, I'd call that an abject failure.

I'm sure the faithful will find reasons why that is still 'a win' for NF/UKIP.

[league67]

turbobloke said:

Guam said:

Checking in off my phone, some of what was on sky is here, doent appear to be all of it but seems to be the core, cant play the audio where I am so am assuming the key points are in the narrative.

Out again now for a couple of days.

http://news.sky.com/story/1243530/official-average...

Article said:

Pay increases averaged 2% in the private sector and 0.9% in the public sector.

It added the number of people out of work in the UK fell by 77,000 between December and February.

The unemployment rate of 6.9% is the lowest for five years.

Good news for a long weekend.

I especially like the part about living standards dropping 30% over last couple of decades.

[WinstonWolf]

league67 said:

turbobloke said:

Guam said:

Checking in off my phone, some of what was on sky is here, doent appear to be all of it but seems to be the core, cant play the audio where I am so am assuming the key points are in the narrative.

Out again now for a couple of days.

http://news.sky.com/story/1243530/official-average...

Article said:

Pay increases averaged 2% in the private sector and 0.9% in the public sector.

It added the number of people out of work in the UK fell by 77,000 between December and February.

The unemployment rate of 6.9% is the lowest for five years.

Good news for a long weekend.

I especially like the part about living standards dropping 30% over last couple of decades.

Making up numbers again?

The Article said:

He added: "By the same token, families have had to withstand a whole five-year period of falling real wages, so in real terms they remain significantly less well-off than they were before the crisis.

"That damage will take some years to mend."

[mph1977]

WinstonWolf said:

For the great majority living standards have dropped.

Now, about these food banks, eat or heat is a very real problem.

Vote Dave, get expensive inefficient windmills.

food banks are a none story ,prior to recent changes the standard response to any issue was 'have a crisis loan' which was delivered , often same day , as a giro which could be cashed at the nearest post office to the DWP office you collected it from and thence spent as the recipient wanted ...

no doubt i'll get flamed for drawing a paralle with the ccampaigns telling you not to give money directly to the homeless/ street beggars ...

[don4l]

league67 said:

don4l said:

league67 said:

So for all UKIP pushing him into the corner, the tangible result of all that pushing is? Let me help you out here. Do you think that Dave would offer referendum if UKIP didn't exist?

It's a yes / no question. Binary please. No stories.

No.

Don4l,

I disagree with, pretty much, everything you type. But I admire your standing for your beliefs. I do.

So, back to the important stuff. No referendum if UKIP didn't exist, no referendum after 15 years of lobbying (and taking salary and expenses and advances) and pushing people into the corner. Exactly the same result.

If anyone, in any professional function, fails to deliver main stated objective, or even means of achieving that (referendum), after 15 years, I'd call that an abject failure.

I'm sure the faithful will find reasons why that is still 'a win' for NF/UKIP.

Do you think that UKIP should give up when they have just started getting double figures in the opinion polls?

I really don't understand why you think that the fact that UKIP have failed to get us out of the EU is important.

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

league67 said:

turbobloke said:

Guam said:

Checking in off my phone, some of what was on sky is here, doent appear to be all of it but seems to be the core, cant play the audio where I am so am assuming the key points are in the narrative.

Out again now for a couple of days.

http://news.sky.com/story/1243530/official-average...

Article said:

Pay increases averaged 2% in the private sector and 0.9% in the public sector.

It added the number of people out of work in the UK fell by 77,000 between December and February.

The unemployment rate of 6.9% is the lowest for five years.

Good news for a long weekend.

I especially like the part about living standards dropping 30% over last couple of decades.

Making up numbers again?

The Article said:

He added: "By the same token, families have had to withstand a whole five-year period of falling real wages, so in real terms they remain significantly less well-off than they were before the crisis.

"That damage will take some years to mend."

I'm really glad you picked up on that. I agree with you that number is bs and pulled out of thin air;

Countdown said:

Guam said:

Countdown said:

Guam said:

I doubt even Osborne can make up the 30% fall in living standards (in real terms) over the last couple of decades,

Could you explain how your 30% is calculated?

Got it from an analysis on Sky discussing that very topic, in order for us to have been as well off as we should be there should have been a 50% increase in incomes over the decades they specified, in truth I was doing other things so couldn't get where the analysis came from, I will however ( as is my wont) go hunting for it when I have time.

Likely tomorrow now as she who must be obeyed wants the telly back

Edited by Guam on Wednesday 16th April 20:57

Thanks. I'd be very interested in this because I can't think of anybody whose living standards have fallen over the last 20 years.

Maybe you should direct that question to Guam? While you are at that, look up, there is a woooshing parrot above your head.

[WinstonWolf]

Made up numbers?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[league67]

don4l said:

Do you think that UKIP should give up when they have just started getting double figures in the opinion polls?

I really don't understand why you think that the fact that UKIP have failed to get us out of the EU is important.

Don4l,

Do you think that fifteen years of failing to achieve anything tangible, is anything by unmitigated disaster? In any profession, private sector or public, there is no way in hell that you'd be able to continue for so long. Your position would become untenable long time ago.

Lets say that your numbers are correct. Double figures in opinion polls. I think, come GE time, they will translate to nothing. I hope you'll agree that they don't stand a chance of being part of coalition government. How many more years do you think they should continue? As long as it takes?

Out of curiosity, anyone knows what are the salaries (and expenses) for MEPs?

[NicD]

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

I can't understand why you waste so much time on these threads with your big mouth opinions and slurs.

What does it matter to you?

It won't change any opinion except perhaps persuade people against siding with you.

It has certainly opened my eyes.

[league67]

WinstonWolf said:

Made up numbers?

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Ok, once again, you question my statement of 30% fall in living standards, I pointed to you that source for that number is not me. I know that there was nothing of the kind mentioned in article Guam linked. Hence, I quoted the source of the 30% statement.

This is like pulling teeth.

You still didn't explain how owning a house without mortgage and savings equals to fall in living standard. Yours. Leave aside population at large, you stated that your personal living standards have fallen. Please explain. It's getting tedious asking the same question over and over again.

[Countdown]

NicD said:

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

Same thing that motivates the ConLibLabGreen Bashers elsewhere I guess.

What is it that makes UKIP supporters so happy to bash others but come over all sensitive when UKIP are questioned?

[don4l]

league67 said:

don4l said:

Do you think that UKIP should give up when they have just started getting double figures in the opinion polls?

I really don't understand why you think that the fact that UKIP have failed to get us out of the EU is important.

Don4l,

Do you think that fifteen years of failing to achieve anything tangible, is anything by unmitigated disaster? In any profession, private sector or public, there is no way in hell that you'd be able to continue for so long. Your position would become untenable long time ago.

Lets say that your numbers are correct. Double figures in opinion polls. I think, come GE time, they will translate to nothing. I hope you'll agree that they don't stand a chance of being part of coalition government. How many more years do you think they should continue? As long as it takes?

Out of curiosity, anyone knows what are the salaries (and expenses) for MEPs?

Isn't it odd?

Earlier, you assumed that I wouldn't give a straight answer to a straight question. This was despite the fact that I always give straight answers. You asked for a binary answer, and that is exactly what you got. There weren't any embelleshments at all.

I asked you a question in the post quoted above and you completely ignored it.

Despite the fact that you refuse to answer my questions, I will continue to answer your questions.

Yes, I believe that UKIP, and Nigel Farage should continue for as long as it takes. The alternative is reduced living standards for all of us - and our children.

Now, I will ask you again - Why do you think that UKIP should give up when they have hit double figures in the opinion polls?

[mrpurple]

NicD said:

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

I can't understand why you waste so much time on these threads with your big mouth opinions and slurs.

What does it matter to you?

It won't change any opinion except perhaps persuade people against siding with you.

It has certainly opened my eyes.

Just think how much time they would spend if UKIP weren't just a bunch of swivel eyed loons with absolutely no hope of achieving anything.

[powerstroke]

mrpurple said:

Just think how much time they would spend if UKIP weren't just a bunch of swivel eyed loons with absolutely no hope of achieving anything.

Does posting rubbish come naturally or do you have to work at it???? My Point is if you have an opinion atleast try make it witty or positive...

[league67]

don4l said:

Isn't it odd?

Earlier, you assumed that I wouldn't give a straight answer to a straight question. This was despite the fact that I always give straight answers. You asked for a binary answer, and that is exactly what you got. There weren't any embelleshments at all.

I asked you a question in the post quoted above and you completely ignored it.

Despite the fact that you refuse to answer my questions, I will continue to answer your questions.

Yes, I believe that UKIP, and Nigel Farage should continue for as long as it takes. The alternative is reduced living standards for all of us - and our children.

Now, I will ask you again - Why do you think that UKIP should give up when they have hit double figures in the opinion polls?

I did answer, but I will repeat it.

Because 15 years is eternity and nothing to show for. If we have this same conversation in another 15 years, is your answer going to be same. As WW noted; doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is idiotic.

Any prediction, pick any from known source that projects that UKIP will have enough MPs to form coalition and I'll acknowledge that you were right. No problem with that at all. I just don't see it happening.

I doubt that membership of EU has any influence on my living standards. I would think that democratically elected local representatives could pose much greater threat to living standards, regardless of political affiliation.

Side note. In those 15 years NF/UKIP (and i use those interchangeably) could at least try to form some coalition and get something passed through, for farmers or whatever else they decide in Brux. Throwing the toys out of the pram and NFs 'clever' stunts just makes them marginalized. But to faithful, that's a good thing, I think.

Edit to add; If you think that I evaded any question(s) please let me know. I'll try my best to answer them.

Edited by league67 on Friday 18th April 20:44

[Zod]

Countdown said:

NicD said:

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

Same thing that motivates the ConLibLabGreen Bashers elsewhere I guess.

What is it that makes UKIP supporters so happy to bash others but come over all sensitive when UKIP are questioned?

And why do some of the UKIPpers, NicD, being a prime example, react so strongly to criticism of their favoured protest movement?

[powerstroke]

Zod said:

Countdown said:

NicD said:

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

Same thing that motivates the ConLibLabGreen Bashers elsewhere I guess.

What is it that makes UKIP supporters so happy to bash others but come over all sensitive when UKIP are questioned?

And why do some of the UKIPpers, NicD, being a prime example, react so strongly to criticism of their favoured protest movement?

Political party thanks !!!!

[4v6]

Zod said:

And why do some of the UKIPpers, NicD, being a prime example, react so strongly to criticism of their favoured protest movement?

Criticism is one thing, the kind of obnoxious schoolboy name calling instigated by this thread is entirely something else.

Its funny, a party with no mps, no seats in the house with no legislation passed to impact negatively on the populous is being treated as though theyre a serious threat.....
Even funnier is those people who've constantly had interference, taxes, laws galore, unfettered immigration etc all to their detriment still hang on to the slim chance that something, anything might change if they keep bashing their heads off the wall just a little longer.
Get with it, youve been had, time and time again, whatll it take for you to learn that the main three are a bunch of jokers?
You only have to look at pmq's to see how seriously they take their "job" and your wellbeing.

Ukip may be no better but until theyve had a chance to prove themselves and show their mettle one way or the other I think they deserve that chance because I think this country deserves better than three flavours of the same crap.

[Countdown]

4v6 said:

Its funny, a party with no mps, no seats in the house with no legislation passed to impact negatively on the populous is being treated as though theyre serious

Couldn't agree more

[NicD]

Countdown said:

NicD said:

what motivates the UKIP bashers on here?

Same thing that motivates the ConLibLabGreen Bashers elsewhere I guess.

What is it that makes UKIP supporters so happy to bash others but come over all sensitive when UKIP are questioned?

examples please?

Show me the threads where anyone can be bothered to bash the open goals of the main parties (all of which I have voted for over the years and may well vote for again).
And of course the reason is obvious, its much easier in opposition.

and yes, I am sensitive to undeserved slurs and twisting of 'facts'

But really, I just want to know why you people can be bothered to rabbit away at your keyboards so much.