What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[Zod]

WinstonWolf said:

Zod said:

Breadvan72 said:

Here, for the hard of Googling, are some pics of the posters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27105374

On the subject of ruffling the chattering classes, this is a further indication that Farage is a deeply unserious politician. He is the archetype of the fourth form wag, laughing at his own rather duff jokes. He has nothing serious to offer the electorate, just merry japes and wheezes pour épater la bourgeoisie. Jokes are fun, but politics also needs a bit of seriousness.

The thing about Farage is that he doesn't give a st. He knows he will never be in power. He knows that UKIP will fade into irrelevance in a few years. He suspects the UK will never leave the EU, but he is happy to have fun shouting about it while taking the money, including the second pension that he has just started complaining about.

But there are enough people, who have a vague feeling that things used to be better and should be better now, who will support UKIP because it is not one of the parties that has been in power over the last century. That is an indictment of politics and politicians generally, but the shouty Messiah is a false one; he offers nothing.

Apart from the referendum.

OK, apart from the referendum what else?

Shale gas?

Yes, well the shale gas goes without saying; but apart from the referendum and the shale gas what have UKIP ever done for us?

etc...

Did you know the Tories have haemorrhaged members while UKIP membership continues to rise?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...

the article said:

According to the website ConservativeHome, the Tories have claimed there are now 134,000 Tory members, down from over 253,000 during the 2005 leadership contest.
The party had earlier this year refused to release the figures amid claims that the number may have fallen below 100,000.


<snip>

The UK Independence Party, led by Nigel Farage, has also seen its membership soar to around 40,000 as it picks up disgruntled former Tory voters.

Time to get your head out of wherever it is currently buried...

It's easy to promise things when you know you will never have to deliver.

[WinstonWolf]

Zod said:

WinstonWolf said:

Zod said:

Breadvan72 said:

Here, for the hard of Googling, are some pics of the posters.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27105374

On the subject of ruffling the chattering classes, this is a further indication that Farage is a deeply unserious politician. He is the archetype of the fourth form wag, laughing at his own rather duff jokes. He has nothing serious to offer the electorate, just merry japes and wheezes pour épater la bourgeoisie. Jokes are fun, but politics also needs a bit of seriousness.

The thing about Farage is that he doesn't give a st. He knows he will never be in power. He knows that UKIP will fade into irrelevance in a few years. He suspects the UK will never leave the EU, but he is happy to have fun shouting about it while taking the money, including the second pension that he has just started complaining about.

But there are enough people, who have a vague feeling that things used to be better and should be better now, who will support UKIP because it is not one of the parties that has been in power over the last century. That is an indictment of politics and politicians generally, but the shouty Messiah is a false one; he offers nothing.

Apart from the referendum.

OK, apart from the referendum what else?

Shale gas?

Yes, well the shale gas goes without saying; but apart from the referendum and the shale gas what have UKIP ever done for us?

etc...

Did you know the Tories have haemorrhaged members while UKIP membership continues to rise?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cam...

the article said:

According to the website ConservativeHome, the Tories have claimed there are now 134,000 Tory members, down from over 253,000 during the 2005 leadership contest.
The party had earlier this year refused to release the figures amid claims that the number may have fallen below 100,000.


<snip>

The UK Independence Party, led by Nigel Farage, has also seen its membership soar to around 40,000 as it picks up disgruntled former Tory voters.

Time to get your head out of wherever it is currently buried...

It's easy to promise things when you know you will never have to deliver.

When you've got your head firmly buried in the sand it's very easy for someone to just walk up and kick your arse...

[anonymous-user]

Esseesse said:

Breadvan72 said:

Interesting election posters, eh? I see that the 75% of law making canard is still doing the rounds. Also the complete fib, for such it is, that there are 26 million Eurocitizens after your job. Pretty confident, not to say brazen stuff.

Shouty bloke deputy to Farage on the Today prog being shouty. John Humphreys gently nailed him.

Does it matter if there are 26 million or just 26 people that want to come to the UK? Either way we should be able to decide who we do and don't want.

First, do you suppose that the poster would play so well to the easily frightened and more easily misled if it said 26, not 26 million?

Secondly, who are "we", and by what species of fundamental right do "we" get to decide to raise up the gangplank that "we" and/or all of our ancestors used to get here? I am being partly rhetorical, but, questions of what national identity may mean aside, I do wonder whether any one nation state is big enough to cope with the problems of interdependency that modernity entails. I would, however, still prefer any coming Federal superstate to be a democratic one, so I might (I said might) still vote for an exit in a referendum.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 April 10:49

[FredClogs]

Mr_B said:

FredClogs said:

Roll up, roll up, read all about it.

UKIP racist poster campaign isn't racist says racist...

In other news, UKIP racist poster campaign paid for by millionaire racist who refuses to contribute to UKIP coffers but just uses their name on his own personal pet projects.

And finally UKIP is increasingly being used as an umbrella organisation for fringe loon pots and fruit pies as a to plough their own furrow, Farage has lost control of the brand.

Could you explain a few things ? Why is it racist, which racist is saying its not racist, who is the racist millionaire and what are his pet projects, and finally, do you feel you use the word 'racist' rather too much here ?

yes I will explain a few things... I do not baulk from using the word racist, it's not a taboo to me, I'm quite happy to call a spade a spade in this context.

The only pertinent question to ask is whether the poster campaign is racist, all the other answers logically follow because we know the poster campaign was designed and funded (outside of UKIP HQ) by one man, one time scrap metal dealer and uneducated, son of a miner and property millionaire Paul Sykes.

So, the imagery and connotation that "26 million people in Europe are looking for work and they're after your job" would suggest that something bad would happen if they got your job, it won't and it hasn't. Again we hit a major hypocrisy of the UKIP/Tory supporting "right" that somehow competition in the labour market is something to be feared, it isn't and positive discrimination of British workers is only going to lead to a lowering in standards as I'm sure all UKIP supporters would agree if the premise were to be reversed. This poster campaign (as the Labour and BNP "British jobs for British workers" campaign of the past) garners votes based solely on a racially prejudiced opinion of the "free" labour market, it pulls on peoples protectionist instinct and drives a wedge where one needn't be driven for the sole purpose of separating people based solely and necessarily on the happenstance of birth place, rather than allowing the market to judge on peoples skills, experience and workmanship.

A myriad examples of racism across the political spectrum can be found, UKIP are not alone (although they are alone in having it as a main campaigning point) so shouting back that Gordon Brown was a this or that or current policy is this or that is pointless, like I said I'm happen to call a racist a racist.

[Mr_B]

FredClogs said:

Mr_B said:

FredClogs said:

Roll up, roll up, read all about it.

UKIP racist poster campaign isn't racist says racist...

In other news, UKIP racist poster campaign paid for by millionaire racist who refuses to contribute to UKIP coffers but just uses their name on his own personal pet projects.

And finally UKIP is increasingly being used as an umbrella organisation for fringe loon pots and fruit pies as a to plough their own furrow, Farage has lost control of the brand.

Could you explain a few things ? Why is it racist, which racist is saying its not racist, who is the racist millionaire and what are his pet projects, and finally, do you feel you use the word 'racist' rather too much here ?

yes I will explain a few things... I do not baulk from using the word racist, it's not a taboo to me, I'm quite happy to call a spade a spade in this context.

The only pertinent question to ask is whether the poster campaign is racist, all the other answers logically follow because we know the poster campaign was designed and funded (outside of UKIP HQ) by one man, one time scrap metal dealer and uneducated, son of a miner and property millionaire Paul Sykes.

So, the imagery and connotation that "26 million people in Europe are looking for work and they're after your job" would suggest that something bad would happen if they got your job, it won't and it hasn't. Again we hit a major hypocrisy of the UKIP/Tory supporting "right" that somehow competition in the labour market is something to be feared, it isn't and positive discrimination of British workers is only going to lead to a lowering in standards as I'm sure all UKIP supporters would agree if the premise were to be reversed. This poster campaign (as the Labour and BNP "British jobs for British workers" campaign of the past) garners votes based solely on a racially prejudiced opinion of the "free" labour market, it pulls on peoples protectionist instinct and drives a wedge where one needn't be driven for the sole purpose of separating people based solely and necessarily on the happenstance of birth place, rather than allowing the market to judge on peoples skills, experience and workmanship.

A myriad examples of racism across the political spectrum can be found, UKIP are not alone (although they are alone in having it as a main campaigning point) so shouting back that Gordon Brown was a this or that or current policy is this or that is pointless, like I said I'm happen to call a racist a racist.

Interesting that you think any objection to an open door and ever more unlimited cheap labour is a racist view point. Your opinion aint going to change on that, but then the same for me too. that debate has been done a thousand times over here.
I still didn't really understand why Sykes is a racist and what his pet projects are. Or why when he is funding ukip to the tune of £1.5m , he is not then contributing to Ukip's coffers. Which is it ?

I find your use of the word racist near constantly in every debate rather silly. You seem to use it without much back-up and think it's a 'game over' comment. It's been far too often used and is a rater lame tactic when you feel you only have to say it and everyone will shut up for fear of being branded or feeling tainted in some way for defending against anything in which you've turned up and chucked it around like a hand grenade. Ever wonder why everyone ( in power/ elected officials and all ) is so on edge on such subjects and unwilling to give a reasoned view point when you are lobbing your racist hand grenades about ? Probably because it becomes a stupid media which hunt as soon as there is anything anyone can pick up on and make into a racist agenda.

[Zod]

WinstonWolf said:

When you've got your head firmly buried in the sand it's very easy for someone to just walk up and kick your arse...

Great answer!

[mrpurple]

Not Arrods I know but one for BV to enjoy anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/17/overhea...

[Zod]

Guam said:

I see so you admit none of the other leaders have the solutions, yet you attack one selectively who you claim suffers from the same flaws as the other 3?

Not a convincing argument is it?

That's the problem: nothing will convince people like you that supporting Farage (yes, I know you are not a Farage supporter - that is obvious from the frequency and content of your posts on these threads) is an utterly ineffective way of making your protest. I accept that voting for the other three parties is also ineffective in terms of that protest and, if you genuinely believe, against all the evidence, that it makes no difference which of the two (with or without the cynical LibDems) is in power, then voting UKIP is not irrational.

[anonymous-user]

mrpurple said:

Not Arrods I know but one for BV to enjoy anyway.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/17/overhea...

Saw it last week, thanks. I haven't set foot in Harrods since I finished my Mcjob as a porter there in 1984. I go to Waitrose mainly for the MILFs.

[FredClogs]

Mr_B said:

I find your use of the word racist near constantly in every debate rather silly.

Ha, was that supposed to be funny?

It's a word that describes the human condition, we're all guilty of it, especially the white middle classes.

First step to recovery is admitting you are what you are.

[league67]

NicD said:

Do you think the poster organised that himself?
very funny.

NicD,

There is no conspiracy. It was comment relating to not checking link posted, to see if it contains malware. Some people might not have up-to-date av. In which case going to that page, will result in them getting the above mentined malware.

So, what you meant to say was; Thanks for letting me know, so I don't click on a dumbass link. Is that clear?

[10 Pence Short]

Aringhe affumicate.

[WinstonWolf]

FredClogs said:

Mr_B said:

I find your use of the word racist near constantly in every debate rather silly.

Ha, was that supposed to be funny?

It's a word that describes the human condition, we're all guilty of it, especially the white middle classes.

First step to recovery is admitting you are what you are.

That's quite true, I remember a bloke on here calling all Welsh sheep shaggers, now who was it?

[league67]

Guam said:

Perhaps this will help your comprehension after which I will disregard your posts.

Definition of typical in English:
typical
Line breaks: typ|ical
Pronunciation: /ˈtɪpɪk(ə)l

/
adjective

1 Having the distinctive qualities of a particular type of person or thing: a typical day a typical example of 1930s art deco typical symptoms
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Characteristic of a particular person or thing: he brushed the incident aside with typical good humour how typical of Iris to think of such a detail
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.2 • informal Showing the characteristics expected of or popularly associated with a particular person or thing: ‘Typical woman!’ John said disapprovingly
More example sentences

2 Representative as a symbol; symbolic: the pit is typical of hell

Such a description does not suggest you made those statements, merely that you share the attitudes and approach of similar posters who make unfounded allegations regarding others.

Last word with you as I am tired of feeding a troll.

Let me get this straight. You go and cry for help to mods because you were lumped into the group of people, members of BNP and ELD, for no reason what-so-ever. But you are happy to lump me into the group of people who called you names?

For the record, I share nothing with 'those' people. You are making things up again. Not unexpectedly.

You might also want to check when to use caps in the middle of the sentence. You know stuff like, Dim, Daughter and so on.

As before, run along lil'one, run along.

[Zod]

Guam went off and cried to the mods, eh?

What do the mods think of your cat pictures, Guam?

[10 Pence Short]

Zod said:

Guam went off and cried to the mods, eh?

What do the mods think of your cat pictures, Guam?

[Mr_B]

FredClogs said:

Mr_B said:

I find your use of the word racist near constantly in every debate rather silly.

Ha, was that supposed to be funny?

It's a word that describes the human condition, we're all guilty of it, especially the white middle classes.

First step to recovery is admitting you are what you are.

Any answers to the other points, or do I only get more 'everyone and everything is racist' ?
I find I'm more selfish than racist. The company I work for has around 20% Polish guys working for it, really nice people and hard workers who just go about their life and don't really wish to change or moan about the UK.
One of them made a comment the other day which had some raised eyebrows from the Brits in the room when he complained about 3 years and no pay rise. When someone else mentioned the fact the company didn't need to because it had no problem or shortage of getting more immigrant labour who were happy with the wages, it made a few of us laugh at the changing situations involved.

As a side not to all the above, I'm afraid to say that as much as you and some others may love it to be white middle class people in the country as the most racist and group that most need your moral back slapping ' I'm fighting racism ' comments, I found some of the Polish guys far worse than much of what I would call daily life in the UK.
Example, I took one guy who was new to the UK around London to show him around some of the jobs in town. I've not been with anyone who hardly knows me before but who was comfortable telling me that it was a shame to see a nice white girl with a black male , or when driving past a gay pub, that in Poland they wouldn't be so public in their behavior because they would get a beating if two men held hands in public.
Yes, I know, one guys comments don't taint a whole nation, but when people like you do nothing by bore me with your endless white English must be racist type rubbish, you may do well to remember the very people you make out as being the victims of English racism are themselves far from immune from what you moralise over.

[10 Pence Short]

I think pretty much every negative poster by any party is a waste of time and money.

It is generally accepted that it's better to sell your own strong points than use fear to rail against your competitor's perceived weaknesses.

In one sense, this is a reason I find UKIP's sales tactics lacking. UKIP tell us that being in the EU is bad, that immigration from the EU is bad, that the smoking ban is bad, and so on. What they don't tell us, is what practical benefits we should expect from their proposed alternatives. Personally, I don't buy into fear tactics or plain criticism. I prefer optimism and seeing what I might get in return.

[FredClogs]

Mr_B said:

FredClogs said:

Mr_B said:

I find your use of the word racist near constantly in every debate rather silly.

Ha, was that supposed to be funny?

It's a word that describes the human condition, we're all guilty of it, especially the white middle classes.

First step to recovery is admitting you are what you are.

Any answers to the other points, or do I only get more 'everyone and everything is racist' ?
I find I'm more selfish than racist. The company I work for has around 20% Polish guys working for it, really nice people and hard workers who just go about their life and don't really wish to change or moan about the UK.
One of them made a comment the other day which had some raised eyebrows from the Brits in the room when he complained about 3 years and no pay rise. When someone else mentioned the fact the company didn't need to because it had no problem or shortage of getting more immigrant labour who were happy with the wages, it made a few of us laugh at the changing situations involved.

As a side not to all the above, I'm afraid to say that as much as you and some others may love it to be white middle class people in the country as the most racist and group that most need your moral back slapping ' I'm fighting racism ' comments, I found some of the Polish guys far worse than much of what I would call daily life in the UK.
Example, I took one guy who was new to the UK around London to show him around some of the jobs in town. I've not been with anyone who hardly knows me before but who was comfortable telling me that it was a shame to see a nice white girl with a black male , or when driving past a gay pub, that in Poland they wouldn't be so public in their behavior because they would get a beating if two men held hands in public.
Yes, I know, one guys comments don't taint a whole nation, but when people like you do nothing by bore me with your endless white English must be racist type rubbish, you may do well to remember the very people you make out as being the victims of English racism are themselves far from immune from what you moralise over.

I thought I'd explained that once you accept the posters are racist you have to accept that the creator and founder of the posters is a racist. They are racist. They aim to divide and judge on birth place alone, taking no other factors into account, that (as they say) is racist.

[McWigglebum4th]

FredClogs said:

I thought I'd explained that once you accept the posters are racist you have to accept that the creator and founder of the posters is a racist. They are racist. They aim to divide and judge on birth place alone, taking no other factors into account, that (as they say) is racist.

But it doesn't mention the welsh?