What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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WinstonWolf said:
Did you see his mental outburst last night? You can't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level then beat you with stupidity.
For the sake of forum harmony he's best ignored.
Ignore him then or answer his points, but please try to resist the urge to give him (or anyone) abuse. For the sake of forum harmony he's best ignored.
If he starts trolling again, report him...
Guam said:
WinstonWolf said:
Breadvan72 said:
Fred Clogs has just made a contribution to the debate, Guam. If you don't agree with it, why not debate it rather that telling him to sod off?
Did you see his mental outburst last night? You can't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level then beat you with stupidity.For the sake of forum harmony he's best ignored.
Or you could actually address the point of European cultural evolution and how it will inevitably lead to a federal state at some point in time as history has repeatedly shown, we have a real opportunity at this juncture to do it in a democratic method.
Mod note: and you're not helping yourself. Behave.
Edited by Bill on Wednesday 23 April 18:31
Bill said:
WinstonWolf said:
Did you see his mental outburst last night? You can't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level then beat you with stupidity.
For the sake of forum harmony he's best ignored.
Ignore him then or answer his points, but please try to resist the urge to give him (or anyone) abuse. For the sake of forum harmony he's best ignored.
If he starts trolling again, report him...
Breadvan72 said:
Otolith, Special Circumstances would be the perfect gig, as that way you get to hang out at the dangerous margins and mix it up with the other Involveds and their client civs. Just remember to make regular backups of your mind state and don't leave the Orbital or the GCU without that signet ring/knife missile that the SC Training Drone gave you.
Precisely! 
Breadvan72 said:
The Nation State (a fairly recent invention) is, I think, a busted flush. It has outlived its usefulness, as previous political forms did before it. The world is now too big and complex for one nation state to deal with the problems that the world throws up. I attach value to much from history, such as a political and legal culture that favours liberty, tolerance, pluralism, commerce, science, and the arts; but I attach no value to the historical accidents whereby one particular linguistic group happens to occupy one particular bit of land, or to the borders that are artificial consequences of historical migrations, wars, and deals.
But isn't that, to some degree, what UKIP is all about?......... deal with the whole world on an equal basis and not restricted to the boundaries of the EU which, if I am not mistaken, is an artificial border (Super Nation State if some have their way) borne out of historical migrations, wars and deals?Breadvan72 said:
Languages: Until quite recently many nation States were multilingual, and some still are. So what?
also just becasue a family's first language at home is not english - doesn;t mean they don;t speak it - just look at many South Asian background families where they drop in and out of hindi / Urdu/ punjabi and english sometimes mid sentance .. 
This is a handy site for checking the status of EU myths such as "banning our numberplates eeeeeeek!"
http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.ht...
http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.ht...
Breadvan72 said:
This is a handy site for checking the status of EU myths such as "banning our numberplates eeeeeeek!"
http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.ht...
The explanations given in the debunking of some of those myths does leave me wondering if inhttp://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.ht...
"creating an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe, in which decisions are taken as closely as possible to the citizen in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity"
the decisions about things like, for example, how long the hot plates of coffee machines ought to remain hot have perhaps been made a little too far away from the citizen. I personally think that particular decision probably ought best to be made a little closer to the citizen. I would go for "by the citizen" and "while he is in the coffee machine shop looking at coffee machines".
Guam said:
So pressure for mates, competition for food and a desire to have your genes pre-empt others is not in Darwin?
Evolutionary pressure would not drive humans to survival of the fittest over those in the next valley?
Maybe your copy was the kindergarten version?
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No, the real version, which you are distorting and caricaturing. Have a look here for some references.Evolutionary pressure would not drive humans to survival of the fittest over those in the next valley?
Maybe your copy was the kindergarten version?
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http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/darwin-human-nature
The Right has for long sought to misuse Darwin to justify its arguments. At its worst this led to eugenics and the dark places that took us to.
In addition, because we possess culture we are not governed strictly by evolutionary biology, as Dawkins (whose early work in "The Selfish Gene" has also been misrepresented and distorted for malevolent political purposes) has explained in his later writings. We prefer not to let sick children die, for example, and don't act simply as creatures driven by evolutionary impulses that we cannot avoid.
We may behave sub-adaptively in some respects in some scenarios, but it's extremely likely that those behaviours are the result of traits which have been adaptive at some point in our evolutionary history. Traits which are not on average at least selection neutral (or more accurately, genes which are not usually expressed in a way which is at least selection neutral) tend not to persist.
I agree with both points. We have not entirely opted out of selection, but the way in which Darwin's subtle ideas are treated simplistically and used by those pursuing agendas of dominance and division is well known, and it's as wrong now as it was last century. Yikes! Nearly said the G word.
I am too skint to go there. Alfa, Lancia, Fiat, yes, but Italians with horses, bulls* and tridents are too ka-bling for me. The real reason that I diss St Nige is that he drives a German car, and all German cars are s
t, as any fule kno. Cars? They come from Italy. Ciao!
* German anyway, so, meh.
t, as any fule kno. Cars? They come from Italy. Ciao!* German anyway, so, meh.
It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...
UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...
UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"
FredClogs said:
It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...
UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"
How did you get she is being "thrown to the wolves " and Ukip dont want to stand by her from that ?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...
UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"
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