What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[longblackcoat]

Breadvan72 said:

Cars? They come from Italy. Ciao!

A pity; I agree with much of what you write but this statement of yours is clearly bks.

Toys may well originate in from Italy, but cars are from Germany.

[Timsta]

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

UKIP poster had a picture of a person with the caption saying that she would be voting for them. Turns out that she is an employee. Because all those other election posters over the years have pictures of real voters chosen at random, and not models.

Now the Sun has unearthed explicit photographs of her taken by an ex boyfriend. I think I may need to post another picture of Malcolm Tucker. The gloves really are off.

[mrpurple]

Timsta said:

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

If people think these continued pathetic attempts to smear will put others off voting UKIP they are seriously deluded and quite honestly a bit sick in the head. Hands up those that haven't got, taken or had taken similar pics at some point in time.even if they were with an old Polaroid...and I bet those that don't wish they had

[FredClogs]

Timsta said:

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

Well I read it, didn't I.

The article concludes said:

A Ukip spokesman described the explicit photos of Miss Vaid as a “personal matter”.

“It is not a matter for the party,” he added.

Paul Sykes showing poor leadership of UKIP, in a)using her in the photo in the first place, b)not asking her if she was into photography before sticking her on 1000s of billboards (anyone with an ounce of media experience could guess where the Sun and Star were going to start looking for a story), c) allowing her to be quoted on what UKIP immigration policy was about.

[Timsta]

FredClogs said:

Paul Sykes showing poor leadership of UKIP, in a)using her in the photo in the first place, b)not asking her if she was into photography before sticking her on 1000s of billboards (anyone with an ounce of media experience could guess where the Sun and Star were going to start looking for a story), c) allowing her to be quoted on what UKIP immigration policy was about.

If your ex released pictures of you to The Sun would your company say it was anything other than a personal matter?

[Mr_B]

FredClogs said:

Timsta said:

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

Well I read it, didn't I.

The article concludes said:

A Ukip spokesman described the explicit photos of Miss Vaid as a “personal matter”.

“It is not a matter for the party,” he added.

Paul Sykes showing poor leadership of UKIP, in a)using her in the photo in the first place, b)not asking her if she was into photography before sticking her on 1000s of billboards (anyone with an ounce of media experience could guess where the Sun and Star were going to start looking for a story), c) allowing her to be quoted on what UKIP immigration policy was about.

You really are an embarrassment to the like of Breadvan and 10Pence who are at least able to make decent argument, even if I do find BV's thread a bit beneath an otherwise intelligent person and very cheap shot stuff.
You don't seem to believe you can be the flip side of the same coin to complain about so much. You seem to believe that your more to the left view than a man who's just had his left leg blown off, can't ever be a bad thing despite your gross exaggerations on issues like the girl in the link or if you pitch up and lob your racist hand grenades around like confetti thinking that it should silence people when you try and taint them as such. Your personal responsibility is lacking to a huge degree if you think that spouting bullst is all good and just just as long as you are sure you are on the good and moral side.

You really are a fool if you think Ukip's response should have been anything other than saying her personal photos are anything other than her business and now a Police matter.

Edited by Mr_B on Thursday 24th April 12:31

[Justayellowbadge]

Let's not get abusive, chaps.

Mr B, may I invite you to edit that post a little?

[longblackcoat]

Mr_B said:

FredClogs said:

Timsta said:

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

Well I read it, didn't I.

The article concludes said:

A Ukip spokesman described the explicit photos of Miss Vaid as a “personal matter”.

“It is not a matter for the party,” he added.

Paul Sykes showing poor leadership of UKIP, in a)using her in the photo in the first place, b)not asking her if she was into photography before sticking her on 1000s of billboards (anyone with an ounce of media experience could guess where the Sun and Star were going to start looking for a story), c) allowing her to be quoted on what UKIP immigration policy was about.

You really are an embarrassment to the like of Breadvan and 10Pence who are at least able to make decent argument, even if I do find BV's thread a bit beneath an otherwise intelligent person and very cheap shot stuff.
You don't seem to believe you can be the flip side of the same coin to complain about so much. You seem to believe that your more to the left view than a man who's just had his left leg blown off, can't ever be a bad thing despite your gross exaggerations on issues like the girl in the link or if you pitch up and lob your racist hand grenades around like confetti thinking that it should silence people when you try and taint them as such. Your personal responsibility is lacking to a huge degree if you think that spouting bullst is all good and just just as long as you are sure you are on the good and moral side.

You really are a fool if you think Ukip's response should have been anything other than saying her personal photos are anything other than her business and now a Police matter.

Except that the point about back-checking anyone you use in an advertisement is standard procedure, or should be to anyone with half a brain.

UKIP shouldn't have used her anyway - she's not just Lizzie, the average voter, is she? But notwithstanding that (and I accept they've done nothing illegal in this matter), it was simply poor practice not to check that it wouldn't blow up in their faces.

Edited by Justayellowbadge on Thursday 24th April 12:46

[otolith]

longblackcoat said:

Except that the point about back-checking anyone you use in an advertisement is standard procedure, or should be to anyone with half a brain.

UKIP shouldn't have used her anyway - she's not just Lizzie, the average voter, is she? But notwithstanding that (and I accept they've done nothing illegal in this matter), it was simply poor practice not to check that it wouldn't blow up in their faces.

Best practice being to contact a model agency and ask for a virgin?

[Mr_B]

longblackcoat said:

Mr_B said:

FredClogs said:

Timsta said:

FredClogs said:

It looks as though Lizzy Vaid (the young lady who appears on the UKIP poster claiming to be a citizen when she was in fact a UKIP employee) is going to be thrown to the wolves...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1078...

UKIP don't seem to want to stand by her, which seems a shame, she does seem to have cleared up UKIPs immigration ethos though saying "it's about SPACE not RACE"

WTF? How did you get any of that from that article?

Well I read it, didn't I.

The article concludes said:

A Ukip spokesman described the explicit photos of Miss Vaid as a “personal matter”.

“It is not a matter for the party,” he added.

Paul Sykes showing poor leadership of UKIP, in a)using her in the photo in the first place, b)not asking her if she was into photography before sticking her on 1000s of billboards (anyone with an ounce of media experience could guess where the Sun and Star were going to start looking for a story), c) allowing her to be quoted on what UKIP immigration policy was about.

You really are an embarrassment to the like of Breadvan and 10Pence who are at least able to make decent argument, even if I do find BV's thread a bit beneath an otherwise intelligent person and very cheap shot stuff.
You don't seem to believe you can be the flip side of the same coin to complain about so much. You seem to believe that your more to the left view than a man who's just had his left leg blown off, can't ever be a bad thing despite your gross exaggerations on issues like the girl in the link or if you pitch up and lob your racist hand grenades around like confetti thinking that it should silence people when you try and taint them as such. Your personal responsibility is lacking to a huge degree if you think that spouting bullst is all good and just just as long as you are sure you are on the good and moral side.

You really are a dick if you think Ukip's response should have been anything other than saying her personal photos are anything other than her business and now a Police matter.

Except that the point about back-checking anyone you use in an advertisement is standard procedure, or should be to anyone with half a brain.

UKIP shouldn't have used her anyway - she's not just Lizzie, the average voter, is she? But notwithstanding that (and I accept they've done nothing illegal in this matter), it was simply poor practice not to check that it wouldn't blow up in their faces.

Apart from the fact he said she was going to be thrown to the wolves and not be supported by Ukip when there is nothing in the article he linked and based that on to support that. The linked article is about someone passing on private pictures of her and it then being a Police matter and Ukip correctly stating its a private matter.
The secondary question of it the advert was the correct thing to do is separate to his linked article and any suggestion she is going to be "thrown to the wolves " and abandon for which there is no evidence.
On the matter of the poster, I can't see any difference between using her and them paying a model to pose a photo and insert the same tag line as per any other political campaign poster. Perhaps she'll come out and say something that agrees with Fred, but untill then pure guess work, speculation and just wanting that to be the case is hardly informed comment.

[Mr_B]

Justayellowbadge said:

Let's not get abusive, chaps.

Mr B, may I invite you to edit that post a little?

Apologies. Have corrected the offending part.

[pcvdriver]

FredClogs said:

Perhaps if you'd been exposed a little more to some foreign language and influence as a kid you wouldn't be the hate filled bigot you are today? Just saying...

If you think the bile Wiggly come out with here is bad - you should check out his "contributions", to use such a loose term, on the Scottish Independence thread.... However, on there he does make out he's a right-wing liberal (which is an interesting juxtaposition in itself.)

[Einion Yrth]

pcvdriver said:

If you think the bile Wiggly come out with here is bad - you should check out his "contributions", to use such a loose term, on the Scottish Independence thread.... However, on there he does make out he's a right-wing liberal (which is an interesting juxtaposition in itself.)

The left may have annexed the term for itself but liberalism is about individual freedoms, not the lefty version of being free to do as you are told.

[otolith]

"The picture in the poster originally planned for 100 extras to be used for the picture. However, only 20 volunteers from the Hendon Young Conservatives turned up to be photographed. The desired effect was achieved by photographing the same people repeatedly and then striping them together."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Isn't_Working

Scandalous!

[Einion Yrth]

otolith said:

"The picture in the poster originally planned for 100 extras to be used for the picture. However, only 20 volunteers from the Hendon Young Conservatives turned up to be photographed. The desired effect was achieved by photographing the same people repeatedly and then striping them together."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Isn't_Working

Scandalous!

Quite inventive before the days of photoshop.

[Zod]

Einion Yrth said:

otolith said:

"The picture in the poster originally planned for 100 extras to be used for the picture. However, only 20 volunteers from the Hendon Young Conservatives turned up to be photographed. The desired effect was achieved by photographing the same people repeatedly and then striping them together."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Isn't_Working

Scandalous!

Quite inventive before the days of photoshop.

The thing is that not one of the people in the poster was claimed to be a Conservative voter. It was just an abstract depiction of unemployed people.

[longblackcoat]

Guam said:

longblackcoat said:

Except that the point about back-checking anyone you use in an advertisement is standard procedure, or should be to anyone with half a brain.

UKIP shouldn't have used her anyway - she's not just Lizzie, the average voter, is she? But notwithstanding that (and I accept they've done nothing illegal in this matter), it was simply poor practice not to check that it wouldn't blow up in their faces.

In all fairness you cant backcheck stuff like that, as an employer I don,t believe one would be allowed to ask questions regarding a persons private life. I think setting a standard that would preclude anyone whose ex may have been a complete would exclude at least 50% of the population.

As someone who's used staff in advertisements, I can assure you that these questions are asked.

We sat down with the employees concerned and pointed out to them that their faces would become public, that people would look into their background, and so if there was anything embarrassing out there it would better to let us know (and probably withdraw from the process) than wait for their secrets to become public, as they inevitably do. We made a point of saying that if they wanted to pull out, it wasn't a problem, and no questions would ever be asked. Equally, if they mentioned something to us about their past which we all agreed was not an issue, then no matter what happened they'd get our support. Several people pulled out, and nothing was made of it.

The ex-boyfriend was indeed a total bd in doing what he has, but there's no way she didn't know the pictures existed, and therefore she must have known that there was a risk this might occur. I feel very sorry for her - she didn't expect any of this, and it's absolutely not deserved - but she should have thought about it before she agreed to appear in a national campaign.

[FredClogs]

longblackcoat said:

The ex-boyfriend was indeed a total bd in doing what he has, but there's no way she didn't know the pictures existed, and therefore she must have known that there was a risk this might occur.

indeed, it's an inevitable result of a scrap metal dealer running a national PR campaign, straight talking common sense sounds good down the golf club but we don't live in a black and white world, however much UKIP would like it to be so.

[otolith]

Zod said:

The thing is that not one of the people in the poster was claimed to be a Conservative voter. It was just an abstract depiction of unemployed people.

Were they all unemployed then?

You think that the woman UKIP used is not going to vote UKIP?

It's a complete non-story. I bet the couples in the Labour "we are worried about Tory interest rates" posters don't even know each other. It's advertising, it uses models. It's done on the TV all the time.

Edited by otolith on Thursday 24th April 15:04