What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[10 Pence Short]

And another UKIP official shows his hand...

David Challice, UKIP Head Office worker said in 2009 (my bold):

UKIP Official said:

When a government embraces the lunacy of multiculturalism, the above (supposed benefit loophole for polygamous Muslims) is inevitable. Why are we so surprised?

The question is, do the apples fall far from the tree?

[Blib]

10 Pence Short said:

And another UKIP official shows his hand...

David Challice, UKIP Head Office worker said in 2009 (my bold):

UKIP Official said:

When a government embraces the lunacy of multiculturalism, the above (supposed benefit loophole for polygamous Muslims) is inevitable. Why are we so surprised?

The question is, do the apples fall far from the tree?

Possibly, he's talking about the liberal belief that all aspects of all cultures are equally valid in a 21st Century, Western Society and should not be criticised?

Do you think that female circumcision, for instance, is acceptable in this day and age?

[anonymous-user]

Blib said:

Blib said:

Breadvan72 said:

A supplement to my question above: Some people are worried about the Romanians in Britain. They don't seem very worried about the French in Britain. Why? Perhaps because the French people here are nice and well behaved and often earn high and pay high tax. Some of the Romanians do that too (I know some high faluting Romanian lawyers who have been here paying megatax for ages). Some Romanians are low skilled but honest and keen to work, some are crims and chancers. We are in a transient phase as the eastern economies and societies catch up and modernise. We let them in too early, perhaps, but look at the progress that Poland has made since the fall of the USSR, with help from us.

It could be argued that because of the EU, we didn't have a choice in the matter. Could it not, BV?

We did, actually. Our elected Governments across the EU agreed to enlargement of the EU on our behalf. They probably agreed it too early (I would have waited at least another ten years for the less advanced eastern nations), but we gave our leaders plenipotentiary authority when we elected them, as that is how our system works.

[Blib]

Breadvan72 said:

Blib said:

Blib said:

Breadvan72 said:

A supplement to my question above: Some people are worried about the Romanians in Britain. They don't seem very worried about the French in Britain. Why? Perhaps because the French people here are nice and well behaved and often earn high and pay high tax. Some of the Romanians do that too (I know some high faluting Romanian lawyers who have been here paying megatax for ages). Some Romanians are low skilled but honest and keen to work, some are crims and chancers. We are in a transient phase as the eastern economies and societies catch up and modernise. We let them in too early, perhaps, but look at the progress that Poland has made since the fall of the USSR, with help from us.

It could be argued that because of the EU, we didn't have a choice in the matter. Could it not, BV?

We did, actually. Our elected Governments across the EU agreed to enlargement of the EU on our behalf. They probably agreed it too early (I would have waited at least another ten years for the less advanced eastern nations), but we gave our leaders plenipotentiary authority when we elected them, as that is how our system works.

Shirley, their hands were tied because we are signed up to the European Union? An independent country can do whatever it wishes.

[McWigglebum4th]

10 Pence Short said:

And another UKIP official shows his hand...

David Challice, UKIP Head Office worker said in 2009 (my bold):

UKIP Official said:

When a government embraces the lunacy of multiculturalism, the above (supposed benefit loophole for polygamous Mulsims) is inevitable. Why are we so surprised?

The question is, do the apples fall far from the tree?

Define multiculturalism

Multi = many

so to me multiculturalism means many cultures

So to have many cultures these cultures must be distinct and different

ergo multiculturalism must mean many and distinct different cultures in the UK



Is this what you want lots of isolated communities and cultures living in the UK and not interacting with each other?



No thanks

I'd prefer the UK to be one culture and if you can contribute to that culture then go for it.

Lets face it curry is now a big part of UK culture.

Under multiculturalism then the curry would of stayed in a separate culture

[anonymous-user]

TB, have a read of NicD's stuff across a few threads. Classic knee jerk whyohwhyohwhyohwhy tabloid stuff. Lots of bog standard ranty rants on all the familiar themes. No sign of any readiness to engage with evidence on pretty much any subject.

[Timsta]

10 Pence Short said:

And another UKIP official shows his hand...

David Challice, UKIP Head Office worker said in 2009 (my bold):

UKIP Official said:

When a government embraces the lunacy of multiculturalism, the above (supposed benefit loophole for polygamous Muslims) is inevitable. Why are we so surprised?

The question is, do the apples fall far from the tree?

I agree with his position. He was commenting on how the government will pay benefits for up to 4 wives. We should't be recognising more than 1 wife. Should we?

Original text: http://bristol.indymedia.org/archive/article/68972...

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

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Under multiculturalism then the curry would of stayed in a separate culture

Can we please have a separate culture for people who say "would of"?

[anonymous-user]

Blib said:

Shirley, their hands were tied because we are signed up to the European Union? An independent country can do whatever it wishes.

No, enlargement was debated and agreed by the member states at Government level. A group of independent States made an agreement with one another. It was not inevitable. At present we are still saying no to Turkey.

PS: don't call me Shirley. [/obvious 20,0000 year old gag, thanks for the setup; you hum it, I'll play it, etc.]

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 26th April 09:45

[10 Pence Short]

Blib said:

Possibly, he's talking about the liberal belief that all aspects of all cultures are equally valid in a 21st Century, Western Society and should not be criticised?

Do you think that female circumcision, for instance, is acceptable in this day and age?

Trying to narrow down the meaning of the phrase "lunacy of multiculturalism", to something particular (and obviously abhorrent), that is unrelated to multiculturalism, is just the kind of avoidance nonsense this thread has been full of.

It is obvious what the author meant. Making excuses on his behalf is mealy mouthed and disingenuous at best.

[Blib]

Breadvan72 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

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Under multiculturalism then the curry would of stayed in a separate culture

Can we please have a separate culture for people who say "would of"?

There's your lack of self esteem coming through once again, BV. Disparaging people makes you feel better within yourself when you put down others, doesn't it? Gives you a warm feeling in your tummy? I bet you're hugging yourself a little inside.

I can help you. Our psychiatric hospital is based in North London. Just PM me. No one will know. I promise.

[10 Pence Short]

McWigglebum4th said:

Define multiculturalism

"the preservation of different cultures or cultural identities within a unified society, as a state or nation."

What is wrong with this? As a nation of Britons we are multicultural, well before we begin discussing all those "horrid foreigners" we keep letting in.

[Blib]

10 Pence Short said:

Blib said:

Possibly, he's talking about the liberal belief that all aspects of all cultures are equally valid in a 21st Century, Western Society and should not be criticised?

Do you think that female circumcision, for instance, is acceptable in this day and age?

Trying to narrow down the meaning of the phrase "lunacy of multiculturalism", to something particular (and obviously abhorrent), that is unrelated to multiculturalism, is just the kind of avoidance nonsense this thread has been full of.

It is obvious what the author meant. Making excuses on his behalf is mealy mouthed and disingenuous at best.

To be perfectly honest, I didn't read his comments. I was referring to the idea that somehow "multiculturalism" is beyond criticism. Coming from an ethnic minority myself, I believe that view to be patently absurd.

Obviously, you think it is valid. Fair enough.

[10 Pence Short]

Blib said:

To be perfectly honest, I didn't read his comments. I was referring to the idea that somehow "multiculturalism" is beyond criticism. Coming from an ethnic minority myself, I believe that view to be patently absurd.

Obviously, you think it is valid. Fair enough.

You are trying to present two polar opposites as the only available choices. It doesn't follow that if you support the notion of multiculturalism that you must then support or allow each and every one of each and every cultures' behaviours.

What is clear and unambiguous, is that if you describe the principle of multiculturalism as "lunacy", you do not want other cultures to be allowed to exist alongside your own.

[Bill]

As the kipper ding dong seems to have migrated over here away from the "future" thread I'll post this that someone has helpfully linked from the Guardian:

"Not at all. Two reasons, really. I think we don't know the true figures yet. And there's also the quality debate. People hate talking about this, but if you look at the Met crime figures for Romanian arrests, there have been 28,000 in London in the last five years. Is there a problem? Yeah. There is a problem." Is he saying there is a culture of criminality among Romanians? "Bound to be. You have to go and see it to understand it. I've visited camps in Romania and Bulgaria, I've got a pretty good understanding." Should British people be wary of Romanian families moving into their street? "Well, of course, yeah."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/25/ni...

[anonymous-user]

Blib said:

Breadvan72 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

....

Under multiculturalism then the curry would of stayed in a separate culture

Can we please have a separate culture for people who say "would of"?

There's your lack of self esteem coming through once again, BV. Disparaging people makes you feel better within yourself when you put down others, doesn't it? Gives you a warm feeling in your tummy? I bet you're hugging yourself a little inside.

I can help you. Our psychiatric hospital is based in North London. Just PM me. No one will know. I promise.

Wrong as always, Blib. I just find it mildly hilarious that people who lerrrrrrrve UKIP with its complaints that education is being eroded and so on are often prone to basic errors in grammar that appear to reflect a certain laziness of mind; as such errors are not exactly obscure or un commented on here or elsewhere. Your personal insults roll off me like water off a not so damp duck, so save them for someone that they might work on.

[McWigglebum4th]

10 Pence Short said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Define multiculturalism

"the preservation of different cultures or cultural identities within a unified society, as a state or nation."

What is wrong with this? As a nation of Britons we are multicultural, well before we begin discussing all those "horrid foreigners" we keep letting in.

Well sadly it appears mainstream multiculturalism concentrates on the "the preservation of different cultures or cultural identities"

And has completely forgotten about " within a unified society, as a state or nation."

So yes the multicultural experiment has failed


And i'm not raising to your race baiting

[FredClogs]

Kippers, the quickest route to a super mono cultural society, which it appears is what you want as multiculturism seems such an anathema to you, would be a single federal super Europe.

stating you abhor multiculturalism and yet supporting isolationist politics which relies on distinct cultural identities to create division seems a touch hypocritical and confused.

[Justayellowbadge]

FredClogs said:

Kippers, the quickest route to a super mono cultural society, which it appears is what you want as multiculturism seems such an anathema to you, would be a single federal super Europe.

stating you abhor multiculturalism and yet supporting isolationist politics which relies on distinct cultural identities to create division seems a touch hypocritical and confused.

Wow.

[FredClogs]

Justayellowbadge said:

Wow.

i know, good innit