What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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turbobloke said:
Who doesn't dislike troughers. Is there any evidence UKIP MEPs are better than, worse than, or about the same as, the large number of non-UKIP MEP troughers?
Ah, troughers. I remember being called one in the Somerset flooding thread because I had the temerity to go against the PH collective and put some of my knowledge and experience into the thread.That didn't go down well; funny how some of those same posters crop up on the ukip threads too.
Edit: similar to what breadvan was alluding to above, funnily enough.
vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
Who doesn't dislike troughers. Is there any evidence UKIP MEPs are better than, worse than, or about the same as, the large number of non-UKIP MEP troughers?
Ah, troughers. I remember being called one in the Somerset flooding thread because I had the temerity to go against the PH collective and put some of my knowledge and experience into the thread.That didn't go down well; funny how some of those same posters crop up on the ukip threads too.
Who called you a trougher on the Somerset thread...a link would be great as accusations are easy...was it actually anyone posting on the UKIP thread, or is this just a generalised smear because some of the people are the same (surprise surprise, PHers posting on several threads!) and it was an easy one-liner? Also, in the interests of fairness, did you have a vested interest? I can't recall describing you as a trougher, so unless there's any evidence that I did I'm tempted to take your post as a smear by association, and in this thread of all places
Colonial said:
turbobloke said:
That's possible but not banal!
Can we take it you won't be voting for UKIP
Out of interest what do you put the decision to broadcast the unedited version? Can we take it you won't be voting for UKIP
I am clearly in the cynical camp, but laziness and ineptitude is an option.
Guam said:
To be fait TB, one idiot did call him a trougher even though his knowledge indicate true expertise in the subject.
We saw the same desperation on the climate threads as we do here, the usual suspects lost that debate, as they will lose this one. Its about what the electorate want on the UKIP threads, no amount of insults will shake the view that its the Bankrupt policies of the Main 3 that created what we are seeing where UKIP are concerned.
Interesting poll in the Times today, guess which party is in the lead We saw the same desperation on the climate threads as we do here, the usual suspects lost that debate, as they will lose this one. Its about what the electorate want on the UKIP threads, no amount of insults will shake the view that its the Bankrupt policies of the Main 3 that created what we are seeing where UKIP are concerned.
Guam said:
turbobloke said:
vonuber said:
turbobloke said:
Who doesn't dislike troughers. Is there any evidence UKIP MEPs are better than, worse than, or about the same as, the large number of non-UKIP MEP troughers?
Ah, troughers. I remember being called one in the Somerset flooding thread because I had the temerity to go against the PH collective and put some of my knowledge and experience into the thread.That didn't go down well; funny how some of those same posters crop up on the ukip threads too.
Who called you a trougher on the Somerset thread...a link would be great as accusations are easy...was it actually anyone posting on the UKIP thread, or is this just a generalised smear because some of the people are the same (surprise surprise, PHers posting on several threads!) and it was an easy one-liner? Also, in the interests of fairness, did you have a vested interest? I can't recall describing you as a trougher, so unless there's any evidence that I did I'm tempted to take your post as a smear by association, and in this thread of all places
turbobloke said:
For whatever reasons, UKIP don't appear to be the biggest drain on EU resources
To measure drain on resources, you need to look at the work down for the money handed out. From the articles you've cited, you will note Labour had an attendance record some 50% or so better than UKIP. Genuine question- did Labour MEPs cost the taxpayer significantly more than UKIP ones, as it appears they produced a lot more effort in the period.Correct me if I'm wrong, but you want more UKIP MEP's claiming maximum allowances at your expense so they can "stick it to the man" by doing bugger all constructive?
I can understand you wanting UKIP MPs in the UK parliment, but why MEPs, unless it's a new way of taxpayers funding the party?
I can understand you wanting UKIP MPs in the UK parliment, but why MEPs, unless it's a new way of taxpayers funding the party?
10 Pence Short said:
turbobloke said:
For whatever reasons, UKIP don't appear to be the biggest drain on EU resources
To measure drain on resources, you need to look at the work down for the money handed out. From the articles you've cited, you will note Labour had an attendance record some 50% or so better than UKIP. Genuine question- did Labour MEPs cost the taxpayer significantly more than UKIP ones, as it appears they produced a lot more effort in the period.AW111 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you want more UKIP MEP's claiming maximum allowances at your expense so they can "stick it to the man" by doing bugger all constructive?
I can understand you wanting UKIP MPs in the UK parliment, but why MEPs, unless it's a new way of taxpayers funding the party?
May I enquire, who is the 'you' in this question?I can understand you wanting UKIP MPs in the UK parliment, but why MEPs, unless it's a new way of taxpayers funding the party?
If it's me, I've not posted anywhere that I want more UKIP MPs in any parliament and I've also posted in this thread recently that I've never voted UKIP.
If your question was for the attention of another PHer they will doubtless be along shortly to respond.
PS: Even 31% in specifically Euro election polling is hardly very impressive, given how many voters CBA to vote in the Euro election and given that it relates to the only subject on which UK has a comprehensible policy. Look at the general election picture and UKIP's position is not looking very mould breaking, is it?
Breadvan72 said:
Does "the electorate" mean about 15% of the electorate (looking at general election projections)? Is that how UKIP works? The majority across the UK who don't support UKIP simply don't count? Is that Democracy in the whacky world of 'kippage?
Yes, that is how democracy works in the real world. First past the post is the winner, but I'm sure you already knew that.Not looking very good for the old establishment, is it...
Breadvan72 said:
PS: Even 31% in specifically Euro election polling is hardly very impressive, given how many voters CBA to vote in the Euro election and given that it relates to the only subject on which UK has a comprehensible policy. Look at the general election picture and UKIP's position is not looking very mould breaking, is it?
Would it be a bad result if your party was in the lead?Breadvan72 said:
Does "the electorate" mean about 15% of the electorate (looking at general election projections)? Is that how UKIP works? The majority across the UK who don't support UKIP simply don't count? Is that Democracy in the whacky world of 'kippage?
To be fair to UKIP, the public get what they deserve. If only a small number of voters turn up for the European elections, and this vote is heavily skewed to UKIP compared to the likely General Election result, whose fault is that?Democracy's a funny thing. The more you offer people the less they seem to want it.
WinstonWolf said:
Breadvan72 said:
As well as the latest list of racist and homophobic tweets and quips from UKIP candidates who are of course in no way representative of anything to do with UKIP, the Observer today quotes a UKIP activist listing her concerns about Polish people in her area. Crowded schools* and bad parking are among them, but one of the concerns is "the sound of Polish being spoken in the street". Oh no, not xenophobic at all, then. She also feels miffed because the Polish supermarket has big lorries delivering stuff to it. Yeah, that would never happen at a proper local supermarket for local people, would it?
*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
Just getting a quick 'cos racist innit' in before breakfast?*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
Breadvan72 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Breadvan72 said:
As well as the latest list of racist and homophobic tweets and quips from UKIP candidates who are of course in no way representative of anything to do with UKIP, the Observer today quotes a UKIP activist listing her concerns about Polish people in her area. Crowded schools* and bad parking are among them, but one of the concerns is "the sound of Polish being spoken in the street". Oh no, not xenophobic at all, then. She also feels miffed because the Polish supermarket has big lorries delivering stuff to it. Yeah, that would never happen at a proper local supermarket for local people, would it?
*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
Just getting a quick 'cos racist innit' in before breakfast?*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
Breadvan72 said:
The majority across the UK who don't support UKIP simply don't count? Is that Democracy in the whacky world of 'kippage?
Size matters Is that the same type of majority which don't support Labour in this General Election result, one that elected a Labour government:
2005 Votes Cast
9,552,436 Labour
8,784,915 Conservative
5,985,454 Liberal Democrat
27,148,510 Total votes cast in the election
Labour got 35% of the votes cast, so 65% of voters didn't support them, in which case the majority across the UK who had no support for Blair don't count as far as the outcome goes.
This is democracy at work!
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