What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[don4l]

Breadvan72 said:

PS: Even 31% in specifically Euro election polling is hardly very impressive, given how many voters CBA to vote in the Euro election and given that it relates to the only subject on which UK has a comprehensible policy. Look at the general election picture and UKIP's position is not looking very mould breaking, is it?

If you think about it rationally, I am sure that you will agree that 9% is much less impressive.

The more the public see of the LibDems, the less they like them.

The more exposure that UKIP get, the more popular they become.

The main issue is Farage's honesty. The public like that.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

Breadvan72 said:

Does "the electorate" mean about 15% of the electorate (looking at general election projections)? Is that how UKIP works? The majority across the UK who don't support UKIP simply don't count? Is that Democracy in the whacky world of 'kippage?

Yes, that is how democracy works in the real world. First past the post is the winner, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Not looking very good for the old establishment, is it...

Do you really think that UKIP are going to win the General Election?

I still have no takers for my £100 wager (winnings to charity) that says that UKIP will obtain no seats in the 2015 General Election. Lots of boomy chatter here, but no one will back it with cash money.

[mrpurple]

so come on then hands up who got the job?

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=4522...

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

....
The main issue is Farage's honesty.

Worth quoting for posterity. The idea that Farage could be considered honest stretches to new heights of wibblitude, even by UKIP standards.

[AW111]

turbobloke said:

Expertise was a given but in that case, also to be fair, is that one person posting on this thread, and also to be fair, did vonuber have a vested interest? I recall the Somerset thread with limitless amusement and know there were issues of vested interest being raised...but iirc they were described as such and a PH search together with a wider online search fails to produce anything for the search terms vonuber+trougher. In this thread it's all a bit more Framework National Statute For The Promotion Of Tolerance

You get a fail in google-fu.

Somerset trougher siteistonheads.com gives you the result in the first or second hit.
It was Cheese Mechanic who was throwing around baseless trougher accusations, apparently because vonuber said things he didn't agree with.

But he hasn't appeared on this thread yet, so you got that bit right.

[don4l]

Breadvan72 said:

don4l said:

....
The main issue is Farage's honesty.

Worth quoting for posterity. The idea that Farage could be considered honest stretches to new heights of wibblitude, even by UKIP standards.

So what do you attribute UKIP's recent success to?

[turbobloke]

The Express and Facebook unite to tell us this

It must mean something as Clegg's mob are last when it comes to Party polls...

[vonuber]

Why would I need a vested interest to post in a thread where I could usefully contribute to the wider knowledge of PH and give an informed response to the media reports and speculation?
Not everyone has to have a vested interest, just like not every UKIP supporter is a small minded xenophobic bigot.

[eharding]

AW111 said:

turbobloke said:

Expertise was a given but in that case, also to be fair, is that one person posting on this thread, and also to be fair, did vonuber have a vested interest? I recall the Somerset thread with limitless amusement and know there were issues of vested interest being raised...but iirc they were described as such and a PH search together with a wider online search fails to produce anything for the search terms vonuber+trougher. In this thread it's all a bit more Framework National Statute For The Promotion Of Tolerance

You get a fail in google-fu.

Somerset trougher siteistonheads.com gives you the result in the first or second hit.
It was Cheese Mechanic who was throwing around baseless trougher accusations, apparently because vonuber said things he didn't agree with.

But he hasn't appeared on this thread yet, so you got that bit right.

<Cough> - I think you'll find the Cheese Mechanic was supported in his assertions by none other than don4l - has anyone heard from him recently?

[turbobloke]

AW111 said:

turbobloke said:

Expertise was a given but in that case, also to be fair, is that one person posting on this thread, and also to be fair, did vonuber have a vested interest? I recall the Somerset thread with limitless amusement and know there were issues of vested interest being raised...but iirc they were described as such and a PH search together with a wider online search fails to produce anything for the search terms vonuber+trougher. In this thread it's all a bit more Framework National Statute For The Promotion Of Tolerance

You get a fail in google-fu.

That's a badge I'll wear with pride - not having the need for it preferring my hard copy files (25 years up) and more recently since the internet took over all such things, web links to research papers and related articles in terms of environmental science and climate matters

vonuber said:

Why would I need a vested interest to post in a thread where I could usefully contribute to the wider knowledge of PH and give an informed response to the media reports and speculation?
Not everyone has to have a vested interest, just like not every UKIP supporter is a small minded xenophobic bigot.

True enough, well said - and in the irony of such things, what you say applies to others on the same and similar threads

However, open debate still requires open questioning and open minds

[zygalski]

WinstonWolf said:

Yes, that is how democracy works in the real world. First past the post is the winner, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Not looking very good for the old establishment, is it...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but UKIP got about 10% share of the vote in the last general election. Please remind me how many MP's they got.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Breadvan72 said:

don4l said:

....
The main issue is Farage's honesty.

Worth quoting for posterity. The idea that Farage could be considered honest stretches to new heights of wibblitude, even by UKIP standards.

So what do you attribute UKIP's recent success to?

Spin, smoke and mirrors exploiting legitimate public concern about the political system in general and the many defects of the EU in particular, and playing to fear, ignorance and, to some extent, nasty atavistic thinking amongst sections of the electorate (not all who buy the spin are nasty atavistic thinkers, but some are). Farage masquerades as the honest bloke in a group of fibbers, but does this by himself resorting to fibs and exaggerations. He is a career politician who has persuaded people who don't fact check that he is just some ordinary type trying to help ordinary types.

Also, the "success" at present consists of good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:55

[McWigglebum4th]

Breadvan72 said:

Also, the "success" at present is good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 13:24

But you are still crapping yourself

[mrpurple]

McWigglebum4th said:

Breadvan72 said:

Also, the "success" at present is good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 13:24

But you are still crapping yourself

Sorry for the thread drift but this just about sums things up for me.

http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/9319

[Colonial]

mrpurple said:

Sorry for the thread drift but this just about sums things up for me.

http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/9319

I guess it's a step from up from referencing Alex Jones/InfoWars.

[Mr Snap]

The thing I like about UKIP is that they're completely unlike the establishment clique of Lib/Lab/Con ex-public school boys that currently run country...

Nigel Farage (Leader): Dulwich College

Stuart Wheeler (Treasurer): Eton College

Alexander Fermor-Hesketh (Defence Spokesman): Ampleforth College

Stuart Agnew (MEP): Gordonstoun School

William Legge (MEP): Eton College

Lord Stevens (Peer): Stowe School

Lord Pearson (Peer): Eton College

Lord Willoughby de Broke (Peer): Institut Le Rosey

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

Breadvan72 said:

Also, the "success" at present is good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:24

But you are still crapping yourself

Nope, but if that fantasy makes you hard, be my guest.

My £100 wager stands. Step up and take the bet?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:56

[WinstonWolf]

Breadvan72 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Breadvan72 said:

Also, the "success" at present is good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 13:24

But you are still crapping yourself

Nope, but if that fantasy makes you hard, be my guest.

My £100 wager stands. Step up and take the bet?

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 13:56

Someone genuinely matched it and took it up to a grand for charity, that's the problem with having so many threads on our future PM

[WinstonWolf]

zygalski said:

WinstonWolf said:

Yes, that is how democracy works in the real world. First past the post is the winner, but I'm sure you already knew that.

Not looking very good for the old establishment, is it...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but UKIP got about 10% share of the vote in the last general election. Please remind me how many MP's they got.

It's not how many they got, it's how many they will have after the next election

The political landscape has changed beyond recognition of late, look who is getting all the column inches now...

[steveT350C]

WinstonWolf said:

It's not how many they got, it's how many they will have after the next election

The political landscape has changed beyond recognition of late, look who is getting all the column inches now...

It's one of Zygy Troll's stock questions.

If you ignore him he will go away.