What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[IanA2]

steveT350C said:

Breadvan72 said:

steveT350C said:

AW111 said:

One thing I genuinely don't understand : where is the single UKIP supporter who says "yep, we have an image problem caused by a (tiny) minority of xenophobes; we have to get better at background checking our candidates / advertising, and make it plain that racism is a big no-no".

There's a lot of talk about smears and spin, but surely if you want to win seats in a general election, you would be seriously concerned at stopping the bad PR at the source, ie from within the party.

I think Mr Farage has said that, and done that....

As a 'start-up' party with high growth, it is very difficult to keep a 100% clean sheet.

UKIP is not a start up party. It has been running since the last century. Farage has said that the party will clean up and be more careful whom it selects to be candidates time and time again (check back over old news stories), but the same old xenophobes, homophobes and assorted loons keep popping up. This isn't vitriol or smearing. It's simply what happens and what keeps on happening, and yet no one on the UKIP side here seems willing or able to address it.

Not a start-up? with 0 MPs?

So the logic here is that failure at the ballot box writes off 21 years of electioneering......or something

A sort of extended gestation period??

[turbobloke]

Breadvan72 said:

Well, 1993 is the last century for most of us, turbobloke, but I can see that someone with views about politics and society that appear to have survived the Flood might regard 1993 as the far future.

Of course it's the last century and as you will recall from my post I didn't dispute that, so 1993 is the last century for all of us and your latest smear falls as flat as the rest. You were blatantly spinning it to make UKIP look longer in the tooth, why not just point out they were founded about 20 years ago and as such are one of the very youngest of UK political Parties.

As for your views on my politics, you need to ask me about them rather than assume you know. Assuming knowledge is a common trait among the uninformed. I had hoped for better, uquipper you

[FiF]

Breaders allegations of paper thin excuses for persistent bad behaviour are a bit ironic.

Still makes a change from David I have full confidence in :insert name: Cameron

Or remove the David and Cameron from the above replace with Gordon and Brown.

Repeat but with Tony And Blair

Or.....



As for the balls about started in 1991/3 dependent upon which selective facts one wants to take, as someone who has studied the rise of UKIP and their history if one objectively considers the facts and their history including all the splits, internal strife., then it's really only since 2011 that they have all been rowing the same way from the perspective of Westminster. If you look at the formative years of the others it isn't pretty just the same.

Ok maybe I am biased due to the time spent studying. Maybe it's a bit of Stockholm syndrome. Who knows who cares. But never thought it would get to here.

[Countdown]

Breadvan72 said:

Others want stuff that is just daft (all taxi drivers to wear uniform - a manifesto pledge),

Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 27th April 16:48

Not the only crackpot pledge it would appear.......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/post.asp?h=0&am...

Restrict the number of foreigners on British football teams, which it believes is behind their ‘lack of success’
Ban the burqa and hold referendums on new mosques
Axe the Ministry of Defence
Impose ‘proper dress’ in theatres, hotels and restaurants
Investigate alleged discrimination against white people at the BBC
Paint trains in traditional colours
Deploy soldiers on the street
Enforcing a dress code for taxi drivers
Make the London Underground's Circle line a circle again
Give MPs more freedom on their expenses
Return the crown to pint glasses

[TKF]

Countdown said:

Not the only crackpot pledge it would appear.......

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/post.asp?h=0&am...

Restrict the number of foreigners on British football teams, which it believes is behind their ‘lack of success’
Ban the burqa and hold referendums on new mosques
Axe the Ministry of Defence
Impose ‘proper dress’ in theatres, hotels and restaurants
Investigate alleged discrimination against white people at the BBC
Paint trains in traditional colours
Deploy soldiers on the street
Enforcing a dress code for taxi drivers
Make the London Underground's Circle line a circle again
Give MPs more freedom on their expenses
Return the crown to pint glasses

>flips through UKIP handbook<

That's just a smear from the MSM.

No, that's not right is it? Hang on.

>flips forward a couple of pages<

Calling us racist? How original!

Nope, still not quite there.

>flip forward<

We've got the established running scared.

There. Job done.

>neck jerk<

>sips pint<

>lights Lambert & Butler<

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

Not the only crackpot pledge it would appear...

That list is either current and in place for the 2015 general election, or a piece of modern history. As there was an interview not long ago, iirc, in which Farage stated that all UKIP policies were being rewritten and independently costed for 2015, it's hardly likely to be current but then you may be a UKIP insider

With UKIP above the LibDems in polls, LibDemmers ought to be mindful of their own disastrous pledges including one to oppose increases in student tuition fees. The pledge for a carbon neutral UK by 2050 also comes to mind as another belter from the least popular main Party.

[Countdown]

TKF said:

>flips through UKIP handbook<

That's just a smear from the MSM.

No, that's not right is it? Hang on.

>flips forward a couple of pages<

Calling us racist? How original!

Nope, still not quite there.

>flip forward<

We've got the established running scared.

There. Job done.

>neck jerk<

>sips pint<

>lights Lambert & Butler<

You've missed out

"2010 - that was YEARS ago...we've completely changed since then"

or

"Nigel never read that particular manifesto. Obviously, if he'd bothered to read it, he'd never have let it been published".

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

You've missed out
"2010 - that was YEARS ago...we've completely changed since then"

Ed Balls and Ed Miliband have not said:

That economic cluckerfust was 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

Nick Clegg has not said:

My excuses were aired on Daybreak in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

David Camerson has not quite said:

My pledge on the greenest windymill government ever was in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

[TKF]

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

Mr Snap said:

Yes, it'll be fun in the next GE watching UKIP candidate after UKIP candidate get shot down in flames for saying stupid things, posting racist comments on twitter etc etc.

All of today's column inches are about the racist comments made against Lenny Henry by the UKIP candidate for Enfield.

In the context of his reply to Lenny Henry's recent lobbying, in what way were the comments racist?

I know this story well, so think carefully before you reply!

So you see nothing wrong with what he said about Lenny Henry?

UKIP has said his comments are unacceptable so think carefully before you reply!

I asked whether the comments, in context, were racist......

He Tweeted "He [Lenny Henry] should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites"

If it needs spelling out why that is a little bit racist then it speaks volumes about you.

[TKF]

turbobloke said:

Countdown said:

You've missed out
"2010 - that was YEARS ago...we've completely changed since then"

Ed Balls and Ed Miliband have not said:

That economic cluckerfust was 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

Nick Clegg has not said:

My excuses were aired on Daybreak in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

David Camerson has not quite said:

My pledge on the greenest windymill government ever was in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

Ah yes, page 27 of the handbook. Ignore, deflect, accuse.

[turbobloke]

TKF said:

turbobloke said:

Countdown said:

You've missed out
"2010 - that was YEARS ago...we've completely changed since then"

Ed Balls and Ed Miliband have not said:

That economic cluckerfust was 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

Nick Clegg has not said:

My excuses were aired on Daybreak in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

David Camerson has not quite said:

My pledge on the greenest windymill government ever was in 2010 - we've completely changed since then.

Ah yes, page 27 of the handbook. Ignore, deflect, accuse.

So...by use of the specific page reference, you clearly have a copy of 'the handbook' whereas I don't

[steveT350C]

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

Mr Snap said:

Yes, it'll be fun in the next GE watching UKIP candidate after UKIP candidate get shot down in flames for saying stupid things, posting racist comments on twitter etc etc.

All of today's column inches are about the racist comments made against Lenny Henry by the UKIP candidate for Enfield.

In the context of his reply to Lenny Henry's recent lobbying, in what way were the comments racist?

I know this story well, so think carefully before you reply!

So you see nothing wrong with what he said about Lenny Henry?

UKIP has said his comments are unacceptable so think carefully before you reply!

I asked whether the comments, in context, were racist......

He Tweeted "He [Lenny Henry] should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites"

If it needs spelling out why that is a little bit racist then it speaks volumes about you.

I know what he tweeted. Put it in the context of what he was commenting on......then explain why it was racist

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

Mr Snap said:

Yes, it'll be fun in the next GE watching UKIP candidate after UKIP candidate get shot down in flames for saying stupid things, posting racist comments on twitter etc etc.

All of today's column inches are about the racist comments made against Lenny Henry by the UKIP candidate for Enfield.

In the context of his reply to Lenny Henry's recent lobbying, in what way were the comments racist?

I know this story well, so think carefully before you reply!

So you see nothing wrong with what he said about Lenny Henry?

UKIP has said his comments are unacceptable so think carefully before you reply!

I asked whether the comments, in context, were racist......

He Tweeted "He [Lenny Henry] should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites"

If it needs spelling out why that is a little bit racist then it speaks volumes about you.

I know what he tweeted. Put it in the context of what he was commenting on......then explain why it was racist

Back to the same attitude that brought the question from UKIP supporters and sympathisers (Guam - definitely not a supporter, despite the investment he puts into these threads) "explain why bongo bongo land is racist?"

[steveT350C]

Zod said:

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

TKF said:

steveT350C said:

Mr Snap said:

Yes, it'll be fun in the next GE watching UKIP candidate after UKIP candidate get shot down in flames for saying stupid things, posting racist comments on twitter etc etc.

All of today's column inches are about the racist comments made against Lenny Henry by the UKIP candidate for Enfield.

In the context of his reply to Lenny Henry's recent lobbying, in what way were the comments racist?

I know this story well, so think carefully before you reply!

So you see nothing wrong with what he said about Lenny Henry?

UKIP has said his comments are unacceptable so think carefully before you reply!

I asked whether the comments, in context, were racist......

He Tweeted "He [Lenny Henry] should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites"

If it needs spelling out why that is a little bit racist then it speaks volumes about you.

I know what he tweeted. Put it in the context of what he was commenting on......then explain why it was racist

Back to the same attitude that brought the question from UKIP supporters and sympathisers (Guam - definitely not a supporter, despite the investment he puts into these threads) "explain why bongo bongo land is racist?"

Either answer the question Zod or troll somewhere else. Simples

[longblackcoat]

steveT350C said:

Either answer my question or troll somewhere else. Simples

Why is it that you think you set the rules for this (or any other) thread?

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

Either answer the question Zod or troll somewhere else. Simples

It is racist to say that a black person would go and live in a black country.

I am not trolling. You are defending a racist and you know it.

[steveT350C]

longblackcoat said:

steveT350C said:

Either answer my question or troll somewhere else. Simples

Why is it that you think you set the rules for this (or any other) thread?

Just wanting an answer, struggling to get it.

[eharding]

Zod said:

ack to the same attitude that brought the question from UKIP supporters and sympathisers (Guam - definitely not a supporter, despite the investment he puts into these threads) "explain why bongo bongo land is racist?"

...and at the time the same apologists for this sort of unpleasantness were squirming around trying to defend the patently indefensible Bloom, all the while making themselves look even more ridiculous in the process.

Obviously, in the end Bloom eventually pressed the self-destruct button in the most hideously public way possible.

Interesting to note that at present, Henford appears to be trying to hang on within UKIP, perhaps cheered by the support he's getting from the likes of some of the usual suspects here - which volumes both for the lack of leadership from UKIP central, and also the true nature of some of our local 'kipper friends.

[steveT350C]

Zod said:

steveT350C said:

Either answer the question Zod or troll somewhere else. Simples

It is racist to say that a black person would go and live in a black country.

I am not trolling. You are defending a racist and you know it.

I am not defending what this person has tweeted. I am trying, evidently not very well, so get someone to explain why the comments, when taken IN CONTEXT, are racist.

Just to confirm, I am not defending, just trying to gauge why it is RACIST to suggest what was suggested, IN CONTEXT. So far no-one has even mentioned what Lenny Henry was lobbying about!

Do I need to quote the Oxford English Dictionary's definition?

[longblackcoat]

Guam said:

I think for us Crayon users you should be more specific as to your meaning, not sure what our "true nature is" (as according to Zod I must be a supporter even though I have never voted UKIP before having an opinion on a political matter clearly marks ones card around here). I guess when I voted for CMD last time out I was a Tory fanboy, and the time before that, and the time I voted for Blair, I was a lefty (oh wait that would be close to the mark at least)

If you voted for Blair, you certainly weren't a lefty! He was the reason I left the PLP.