What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
Discussion
Guam said:
Time they got a room
As for holiday ideas, UKIP holiday heaven must be Gibraltar, which is like Leicester in 1957 but without the rain. Grisly food, British Home Stores, Johnny Foreigner kept in his place, and even a few glimpses of Imperial glory in the form of grey warships (OK, they are probably American ones stopping off to dump their garbage in the harbour, but never mind).
PRTVR said:
I think the rise in the far right is a byproduct of some EU policy's, history has shown us that high unemployment leads to a rise,take Germany before the second world war, high unemployment people looking for someone to blame, end up with the Holocaust, the euro is destroying a lot of southern EU countries, people will look for someone tô blame.
You think the EU was responsible for the world-wide recession? Whilst there are disputes as to the cause, I don't think anyone has laid the cause at the feet of EU alone. Further, we have a lower rate of unemployment yet there is a move to the right.
If you look back a few years you will see that these things go in cycles. Blame also goes in cycles.
turbobloke said:
Breadvan72 said:
I nominate turbobloke.
What for?If it's for the role of pointing out the false link you tried to get away with in the OP you're too late.
There are various Parties represented on PH, some people on here even vote Labour.
Breadvan72 said:
turbobloke said:
Breadvan72 said:
I nominate turbobloke.
What for?If it's for the role of pointing out the false link you tried to get away with in the OP you're too late.
There are various Parties represented on PH, some people on here even vote Labour.
Breadvan72 said:
That assumes that we aren't just the same dude. I nominate turbobloke.
As for holiday ideas, UKIP holiday heaven must be Gibraltar, which is like Leicester in 1957 but without the rain. Grisly food, British Home Stores, Johnny Foreigner kept in his place, and even a few glimpses of Imperial glory in the form of grey warships (OK, they are probably American ones stopping off to dump their garbage in the harbour, but never mind).
Hilarious. I'll be voting UKIP and in the last year I've been to Greece, the Czech Republic and France. I'm off to Poland and Hungary next week and will no doubt enjoy myself immensely even with all the pesky Poles and Hungarians As for holiday ideas, UKIP holiday heaven must be Gibraltar, which is like Leicester in 1957 but without the rain. Grisly food, British Home Stores, Johnny Foreigner kept in his place, and even a few glimpses of Imperial glory in the form of grey warships (OK, they are probably American ones stopping off to dump their garbage in the harbour, but never mind).
You really need to understand that being opposed to a political union with Europe doesn't mean one hates Europeans or their food for that matter!
Engineer1 said:
Getragdogleg said:
Discrediting by association, that's a neat one BV. So, this bunch did something silly so we should all avoid UKIP. Ok got it !
No UKIP hang round with a bunch of neo Facist nut jobs so we should avoid UKIP, that and Europe does us more good than harm.So I guess we should all just keep quiet and vote for Ed and Ed.
Derek Smith said:
PRTVR said:
I think the rise in the far right is a byproduct of some EU policy's, history has shown us that high unemployment leads to a rise,take Germany before the second world war, high unemployment people looking for someone to blame, end up with the Holocaust, the euro is destroying a lot of southern EU countries, people will look for someone tô blame.
You think the EU was responsible for the world-wide recession? Whilst there are disputes as to the cause, I don't think anyone has laid the cause at the feet of EU alone. Further, we have a lower rate of unemployment yet there is a move to the right.
If you look back a few years you will see that these things go in cycles. Blame also goes in cycles.
PRTVR said:
Its a very complex subject, but the likes of Greece and Spain still have very high unemployment, mainly I believe due to their inability to change their exchange rates,high unemployment is a breeding ground for the far right.
So, just to be clear, anyone opposing mass uncontrolled immigration is far right? Or have I misunderstood?HonestIago said:
PRTVR said:
Its a very complex subject, but the likes of Greece and Spain still have very high unemployment, mainly I believe due to their inability to change their exchange rates,high unemployment is a breeding ground for the far right.
So, just to be clear, anyone opposing mass uncontrolled immigration is far right? Or have I misunderstood?As I said it is complex, I am against uncontrolled immigration but do not considered myself far right, there was a link to a site where you could find your political leaning and mine was to the left.
HonestIago said:
You really need to understand that being opposed to a political union with Europe doesn't mean one hates Europeans or their food for that matter!
But it does mean you don't understand the EU, that you overestimate it's importance and don't have much of a grasp of the real social, political and economic challenges facing the UK.PRTVR said:
HonestIago said:
PRTVR said:
Its a very complex subject, but the likes of Greece and Spain still have very high unemployment, mainly I believe due to their inability to change their exchange rates,high unemployment is a breeding ground for the far right.
So, just to be clear, anyone opposing mass uncontrolled immigration is far right? Or have I misunderstood?As I said it is complex, I am against uncontrolled immigration but do not considered myself far right, there was a link to a site where you could find your political leaning and mine was to the left.
PRTVR said:
Its a very complex subject, but the likes of Greece and Spain still have very high unemployment, mainly I believe due to their inability to change their exchange rates,high unemployment is a breeding ground for the far right.
I remember that, at a time of what was believed at the time to be a high unemployment rate, there was a movement from unions towards Knocker Powell. This was a bloke who suggested that an unemployment rate of 7 million was the only way to run the country and give the rich some consistent profits. When I pointed this out - I was on the committee of my firm's union - I was told I didn't know what I was talking about.The rhetoric of the far right has a strange attraction for those who would least benefit.
Before WWII there was massive unemployment levels allied to dreadful pay and particularly conditions. Read about it if you feel that the nationalisation under the labour post war government was not the only way forward. However, the effect of this was political extremism. Although it hasn't received the publicity that the ultra right has, there was considerable, and somewhat threatening, support for communism in working class areas. And, rather oddly, a considerable degree of support for Mosley.
My extended family was generally communist leaning and the resentments against 'us' (my father was more open-minded, virtually having no party politics, so my immediate family were less influenced) by those who went fascist and were still living in my street carried on into the middle 50s. However, rather Pythonesque, we looked down on the other Irish families who fled to Eire as war and conscription started, and then returned post VE day. I was not allowed to fraternise with the Blinches until my grandmother died. Then I found I didn't particularly like them, so didn't.
The thing seems to be that people will opt for extremism when the 'centre' can't do a decent job.
There was a recent article in the Economist about the causes of the lurch towards fascism in Germany and the thrust was that it was nothing to do with inflation - directly contrary to accepted wisdom. Unemployment, now that upset people.
So if unemployment is the problem, why do people leap to the right? Knocker Powell was hardly saying something that surprised when he suggested that right wing policy would include a designed-in high unemployment rate. What other way was there to keep pay down and profits up? Yet there was a coach ordered for union members to go see his speech.
So the racialist policies of the fascists against the Jews, who were hardly overwhelming Germany, hit a nerve, but why?
What is odd is that people are being fed the information that immigrants are bringing down pay levels and taking jobs, so vote for the ultra right which will get rid of immigrants but pay less and increase unemployment. Unless they declare war on some country or other of course.
My belief is that the right wing prospers when people's pockets and quality of life are most squeezed.
If you look at the countries where the far right have most prominence, it's no surprise to see it's the ones with least spare cash.
With our improving outlook, this is one reason I believe UKIP are likely to be less and less relevant to the middle ground voters, as their bank balances restore and their viewpoints mellow.
If you look at the countries where the far right have most prominence, it's no surprise to see it's the ones with least spare cash.
With our improving outlook, this is one reason I believe UKIP are likely to be less and less relevant to the middle ground voters, as their bank balances restore and their viewpoints mellow.
10 Pence Short said:
With our improving outlook, this is one reason I believe UKIP are likely to be less and less relevant to the middle ground voters, as their bank balances restore and their viewpoints mellow.
You are wrong, look at the age group of UKIP, they are old moaning b
ds like methey will need to be given something better to moan about to let this go.
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