What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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How is saying something that upsets your delicate sensibilities stifling debate? If you don't like it, you are free to comment on it. Oh, you have. Not much debate stifling going on there then. As for badd spoleng, I am as prone to typos as the next person. If I spot them, I correct them. If I don't, I don't. Typing "would of" instead of "would have" is not a spelling mistake. It's a sign of someone who can't be bothered to attempt to communicate in standard English.
You are also missing the point about bigots in UKIP. There are bigots in and supporting UKIP, and to suggest otherwise would be fanciful. It does not follow from this that everyone who supports UKIP is a bigot; but choosing to associate with bigots is, as the term suggests, a matter of choice, not accident. Supporters who are not bigots might also wish to ask themselves why the party that they love attracts so many bigots; but they (the non bigots) seem unwilling to do so.
You are also missing the point about bigots in UKIP. There are bigots in and supporting UKIP, and to suggest otherwise would be fanciful. It does not follow from this that everyone who supports UKIP is a bigot; but choosing to associate with bigots is, as the term suggests, a matter of choice, not accident. Supporters who are not bigots might also wish to ask themselves why the party that they love attracts so many bigots; but they (the non bigots) seem unwilling to do so.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 26th April 17:53
Your mistake is to assume that I was attempting to stifle debate. You appear to have the typical approach to free expression adopted by the PH rightists. If someone says something that you don't like, that's "attempting to stifle debate". If someone from the loyalist crew says "Shut up, tosser liberal" or similar, that's an example of excellent debating skills.
As well as the latest list of racist and homophobic tweets and quips from UKIP candidates who are of course in no way representative of anything to do with UKIP, the Observer today quotes a UKIP activist listing her concerns about Polish people in her area. Crowded schools* and bad parking are among them, but one of the concerns is "the sound of Polish being spoken in the street". Oh no, not xenophobic at all, then. She also feels miffed because the Polish supermarket has big lorries delivering stuff to it. Yeah, that would never happen at a proper local supermarket for local people, would it?
*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
zygalski said:
Breadvan72 said:
Your mistake is to assume that I was attempting to stifle debate. You appear to have the typical approach to free expression adopted by the PH rightists. If someone says something that you don't like, that's "attempting to stifle debate". If someone from the loyalist crew says "Shut up, tosser liberal" or similar, that's an example of excellent debating skills.
I felt the same when Turbobloke repeatedly posted long lists of individual scientists who spoke out against climate change & the IPCC. Nothing but support for him.I then copy/pasted lists of organisations that support the mainstream scientific views on the matter & was told by several forumites with many thousands of posts between them that I was trolling & a nuisance.
There are some incredibly self-righteous types on here & an awful lot of cock-holding goes on.
PS: Even 31% in specifically Euro election polling is hardly very impressive, given how many voters CBA to vote in the Euro election and given that it relates to the only subject on which UK has a comprehensible policy. Look at the general election picture and UKIP's position is not looking very mould breaking, is it?
WinstonWolf said:
Breadvan72 said:
As well as the latest list of racist and homophobic tweets and quips from UKIP candidates who are of course in no way representative of anything to do with UKIP, the Observer today quotes a UKIP activist listing her concerns about Polish people in her area. Crowded schools* and bad parking are among them, but one of the concerns is "the sound of Polish being spoken in the street". Oh no, not xenophobic at all, then. She also feels miffed because the Polish supermarket has big lorries delivering stuff to it. Yeah, that would never happen at a proper local supermarket for local people, would it?
*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
Just getting a quick 'cos racist innit' in before breakfast?*No explanation of why this is because of Poles and not because of crappy education policies and/or general demographics.
WinstonWolf said:
Breadvan72 said:
Does "the electorate" mean about 15% of the electorate (looking at general election projections)? Is that how UKIP works? The majority across the UK who don't support UKIP simply don't count? Is that Democracy in the whacky world of 'kippage?
Yes, that is how democracy works in the real world. First past the post is the winner, but I'm sure you already knew that.Not looking very good for the old establishment, is it...
I still have no takers for my £100 wager (winnings to charity) that says that UKIP will obtain no seats in the 2015 General Election. Lots of boomy chatter here, but no one will back it with cash money.
don4l said:
Breadvan72 said:
don4l said:
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The main issue is Farage's honesty.
Worth quoting for posterity. The idea that Farage could be considered honest stretches to new heights of wibblitude, even by UKIP standards.The main issue is Farage's honesty.
Also, the "success" at present consists of good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:55
McWigglebum4th said:
Breadvan72 said:
Also, the "success" at present is good poll results and likely good results in the Euro election, but translating that to any sort of success in the General Election will be a major hill to climb.
But you are still crapping yourselfEdited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:24
My £100 wager stands. Step up and take the bet?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 13:56
steveT350C said:
AW111 said:
One thing I genuinely don't understand : where is the single UKIP supporter who says "yep, we have an image problem caused by a (tiny) minority of xenophobes; we have to get better at background checking our candidates / advertising, and make it plain that racism is a big no-no".
There's a lot of talk about smears and spin, but surely if you want to win seats in a general election, you would be seriously concerned at stopping the bad PR at the source, ie from within the party.
I think Mr Farage has said that, and done that....There's a lot of talk about smears and spin, but surely if you want to win seats in a general election, you would be seriously concerned at stopping the bad PR at the source, ie from within the party.
As a 'start-up' party with high growth, it is very difficult to keep a 100% clean sheet.
How can it be a start up when it has been contesting elections since the 1990s and has several MEPs? The Greens were going for ages before they got one MP in 2010. Would you have called them a start up? How about the BNP? Extant for years, have had a few Councillors, no MPs. A start up?
Something that would be a start - those UKIP MEPs doing the jobs that they are paid to do.
Something that would be a start - those UKIP MEPs doing the jobs that they are paid to do.
A key UKIP theme here seems to be the making of paper thin excuses for persistent bad behaviour. Guam says "perhaps it was contracts" as an excuse for repeating the Lampitt broadcast (it wasn't, as a few seconds of Googling would have shown). Steve says "UKIP is a start up" (it was founded in 1993 and has several elected members of political entities). Others don't even bother with excuses. They simply ignore the endless stream of "oops, another UKIP candidate saying really bizarre and/or unpleasant things", and suggest, sometimes in shrill terms, that for some reason it is unfair to point these incidents out.
There is a legitimate debate about whether the UK should remain in the EU, but UKIP, whilst proposing "leave the EU" as its main or sole articulated policy, brings together an assortment of people some of whom seem to want rather more than just that. Some of what some of those people want is pretty ugly, as their tweets and UKIP forum posts etc confirm. Others want stuff that is just daft (all taxi drivers to wear uniform - a manifesto pledge), but with the bigots on one end and the fringe loons on the other, where does this leave the sensible debate about in/out of the EU?
There is a legitimate debate about whether the UK should remain in the EU, but UKIP, whilst proposing "leave the EU" as its main or sole articulated policy, brings together an assortment of people some of whom seem to want rather more than just that. Some of what some of those people want is pretty ugly, as their tweets and UKIP forum posts etc confirm. Others want stuff that is just daft (all taxi drivers to wear uniform - a manifesto pledge), but with the bigots on one end and the fringe loons on the other, where does this leave the sensible debate about in/out of the EU?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 16:48
Hey Guam, wanna know the source for UKIP having the opportunity to edit the Lampitt broadcast before inflicting it on the Welsh? The source is called U K I P. Yep, that's right. UKIP confirmed this to be the case to Channel 4 News. Calling me a liar? Go on then, call me a liar. Or, maybe do some basic research before trotting out any old desperate excuse for the infallible Purple Idol.
As for making your electoral choices on the basis of feeling a bit miffed by what people say in a chattering shop in a car forum, well, hey, if that's how you roll.
As for making your electoral choices on the basis of feeling a bit miffed by what people say in a chattering shop in a car forum, well, hey, if that's how you roll.
So in other words, Guam, you are calling me a liar. I don't have to do your homework for you, but as you seem to find Google a challenge, here's a clue: Have a look at Michael Crick's twitter feed. The story was broadcast on Channel 4 News last week. I made the point that UKIP had been offered the change to edit the broadcast when I first referred to it here, before you clutched at your straw and invented your desperate "oh it must be a contract or something" theory. I am not here to be your fact checker, even though you badly need one. Maybe hire some German, or something.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th April 19:35
In the interests of fairness to and equality for bigots of all kinds, we should not let the crass xenophobes overshadow the splendid Robert Bilcliff, UKIP candidate, who tweeted that the day when gay marriage became lawful was "a sad day for all us straight people". Top work, not at all bigoted UKIP fella.
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