What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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Breadvan72 said:
The main point of the story is that it affords an opportunity to laugh at the idiocy of some idiots doing some idiotic stuff. As a secondary point, it so happens that these are the same idiots that Saint Nige consorts with politically. Those who choose to think that the fact that he willingly allies himself with Neo Fascist nutjobs is irrelevant are, of course, free to do so.
Give me a moment while I find a photo of Cameron consorting with those well known upholders of liberal democracy, the Saudis. "But just off the cost of Malta, the dighy's motor caught fire and the men were forced to call for assistance, according to Malta's Independent newspaper.
Managing to put out the fire, the men launched a distress signal but apparently fired the launcher the wrong way round, directly into the boat, and were all dumped into the sea."
What not bunga bunga party on board?
What was the point in the stunt? To try to get the Mediterranean widened?
Managing to put out the fire, the men launched a distress signal but apparently fired the launcher the wrong way round, directly into the boat, and were all dumped into the sea."
What not bunga bunga party on board?
What was the point in the stunt? To try to get the Mediterranean widened?
Expect a lot more of this in the next few weeks. After a debate that Clegg didn't so much lose as fail to make any worthwhile contribution to, it will be back to plan A - smear, smear, smear.
I wonder what's next? Maybe some UKIP councilor who referred to the newsagent as the '
shop' in 1991. Farage drives the same car as some Hungarian racist. UKIP MEP in looking a bit funny at an Indian guy shocker.
Is there actually any positive case for EU membership that doesn't rely on smearing the opponents of it as racists or creating an entirely false alternative of a completely closed and backwards right wing dictatorship?
I wonder what's next? Maybe some UKIP councilor who referred to the newsagent as the '
shop' in 1991. Farage drives the same car as some Hungarian racist. UKIP MEP in looking a bit funny at an Indian guy shocker.Is there actually any positive case for EU membership that doesn't rely on smearing the opponents of it as racists or creating an entirely false alternative of a completely closed and backwards right wing dictatorship?
Guam said:
You aren't wrong, the demographic data I posted on another thread, shows clearly that the young ankle biters basically cant be arsed to vote, it is the older maligned moaning old farts like us, that will get of their backsides wind rain or shine and actually excercise the mandate. That is what scares the living crap out of them. Appealing to the younger voters is pointless, as most of them will appear on the web and spit and claw, but will do SFA when it comes to real action to further their views!
I am a 24yo graduate and will be voting UKIP. The only reason more graduates/young people don't support UKIP is that they are utterly naive to the treachery of LibLabCon. If they haven't ever questioned the PC media or the Marxist education they've no doubt had then they simply know no better. Clegg's U-turn on tuition fees fills me with glee to this day!AJS- said:
Expect a lot more of this in the next few weeks. After a debate that Clegg didn't so much lose as fail to make any worthwhile contribution to, it will be back to plan A - smear, smear, smear.
I wonder what's next? Maybe some UKIP councilor who referred to the newsagent as the ' shop' in 1991. Farage drives the same car as some Hungarian racist. UKIP MEP in looking a bit funny at an Indian guy shocker.
Is there actually any positive case for EU membership that doesn't rely on smearing the opponents of it as racists or creating an entirely false alternative of a completely closed and backwards right wing dictatorship?
Indeed.I wonder what's next? Maybe some UKIP councilor who referred to the newsagent as the '
shop' in 1991. Farage drives the same car as some Hungarian racist. UKIP MEP in looking a bit funny at an Indian guy shocker.Is there actually any positive case for EU membership that doesn't rely on smearing the opponents of it as racists or creating an entirely false alternative of a completely closed and backwards right wing dictatorship?
I wonder if BV's concerned that if we leave the EU or at least show it for what it is, that his own particular gravy-train might come to a grinding halt.
Breadvan72 said:
Malta is ace if you want to buy a minty Morris Marina(and who doesn't?).
I almost managed to convince a local to part with his mint condition Ford Anglia last time we were there (my 1st ever car) might have another attempt when we go back..........we fly from Bristol BTW 
Rovinghawk said:
10 Pence Short said:
If you look at the countries where the far right have most prominence, it's no surprise to see it's the ones with least spare cash.
America? In particular Texas?AshVX220 said:
Indeed.
I wonder if BV's concerned that if we leave the EU or at least show it for what it is, that his own particular gravy-train might come to a grinding halt.
What gravy train might that be, pray? I didn't know that you were my accountant. Can you let me know how you are getting on with those schedules? Cheers.I wonder if BV's concerned that if we leave the EU or at least show it for what it is, that his own particular gravy-train might come to a grinding halt.
Breadvan and others chuck around the racist red card like its going out of fashion, seemingly without understanding why theyre all bass ackwards on it.
Just done Political Compass, first time I've done that and puts me almost smack bang on mark with nelson mandela, left libertarianist yet Ukips policies appeal to me far more than ed milliband or cleggdems.
How can that be??
Its obviously far more complex than just saying "right wing =racist left wing = marxist" so why not just knock it off with the purile racist slurs of ukip supporters?
Its not like youll get us to vote red ed, however loud you shout, its been done to death and people quite rightly are well wise to that snake belly low tactic.
Give it a rest already.
Just done Political Compass, first time I've done that and puts me almost smack bang on mark with nelson mandela, left libertarianist yet Ukips policies appeal to me far more than ed milliband or cleggdems.
How can that be??
Its obviously far more complex than just saying "right wing =racist left wing = marxist" so why not just knock it off with the purile racist slurs of ukip supporters?
Its not like youll get us to vote red ed, however loud you shout, its been done to death and people quite rightly are well wise to that snake belly low tactic.
Give it a rest already.
BTW, assumptions about what people might think can be erroneous. If there is an in/out referendum, I will start the campaign as a floating voter, and will listen to the number crunching and the other arguments. I favour a United States of Europe, but only if it is democratic, and that is not on offer. I deplore much of what the EU has come to be, but I want to see the numbers crunched in detail, as ultimately the question may be what is in the long term economic interest of the UK. If putting up with all the BS is a price that is worth paying for the gains, then I will reluctantly put up with the BS.
Migration within the EU is a transient issue, I think, that will settle down in time, as the free movement economy matures I think that we should have waited another twenty years before enlarging to the east, but it's done now, and the predictions of swamping aren't coming true.
As for smears, a smear is not a smear if it's true. UKIP is allied with Neo-Fascist political groups. It is also shameful, BTW, that the UK is allied with the Saudis.
I don't think that Farage is a racist. Some of his followers are, some aren't. Farage's main vice is that he's an hypocrite - a systematically dishonest (second) career politician masquerading as a bloke in the pub.
Migration within the EU is a transient issue, I think, that will settle down in time, as the free movement economy matures I think that we should have waited another twenty years before enlarging to the east, but it's done now, and the predictions of swamping aren't coming true.
As for smears, a smear is not a smear if it's true. UKIP is allied with Neo-Fascist political groups. It is also shameful, BTW, that the UK is allied with the Saudis.
I don't think that Farage is a racist. Some of his followers are, some aren't. Farage's main vice is that he's an hypocrite - a systematically dishonest (second) career politician masquerading as a bloke in the pub.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th April 11:28
4v6 said:
Just done Political Compass, first time I've done that and puts me almost smack bang on mark with nelson mandela, left libertarianist yet Ukips policies appeal to me far more than ed milliband or cleggdems.
How can that be??
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This is very often the case, I had Bush supporting supposed "right winger" suggest to me that the "political compass" test was a left wing conspiracy pseudo web site.How can that be??
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The truth is that most people in the UK have a reasonably authoritarian liberal and economically pragmatic ideal, we're not a nation of dunder heads.
But where people do differ is on there outlook, some people are pessimists and some optimists and on this test there is a fairly stark contrast.
I suspect most Kippers have a pessimistic outlook and are looking for solutions to the problems they perceive are happening or about to happen - it has very little to do with political ideology but any appeal to fix or repair a hypothetical problem that is calculated as such (as Farage does) is at best straw man lunacy at worst a very clever strategy to gain power. I'd like to think Farage is simply and idiot but on some things even I can't think optimistically.
(p.s I myself am about where Ghandi was)
Breadvan72 said:
What gravy train might that be, pray? I didn't know that you were my accountant. Can you let me know how you are getting on with those schedules? Cheers.
Listen, don't mention signing off the EU accounts! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all rightSo! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it.
HonestIago said:
I am a 24yo graduate and will be voting UKIP. The only reason more graduates/young people don't support UKIP is that they are utterly naive to the treachery of LibLabCon. If they haven't ever questioned the PC media or the Marxist education they've no doubt had then they simply know no better. Clegg's U-turn on tuition fees fills me with glee to this day!
At last, we've found that unique individual, a youngster who sees through all the rubbish and can sort out the world's troubles.None around when I was 24.
Breadvan72 said:
BTW,assumptions about what people might think can be erroneous. If there is an in/out referendum, I will start the campaign as a floating voter, and will listen to the number crunching and the other arguments. I favour a United States of Europe, but only if it is democratic, and that is not on offer. I deplore much of what the EU has come to be, but I want to see the numbers crunched in detail, as ultimately the question may be what is in the long term economic interest of the UK. If putting up with all the BS is a price that is worth paying for the gains, then I will reluctantly put up with the BS.
Migration within the EU is a transient issue, I think, that will settle down in time, as the free movement economy matures I think that we should have waited another twenty years before enlarging to the East, but it's done now, and the predictions of swamping aren't coming true.
As for smears, a smear is not a smear if it's true. UKIP is allied with Neo-Fascist political groups. It is also shameful, BTW, that the UK is allied with the Saudis.
Part of our problem on free movement is we didn't sign up to all of it why aren't we in the Schengen open borders agreement? we are an island at the extreme edge of Europe you have to enter by plane train or boat and in the case of train or boat your departure point was within the agreement area.Migration within the EU is a transient issue, I think, that will settle down in time, as the free movement economy matures I think that we should have waited another twenty years before enlarging to the East, but it's done now, and the predictions of swamping aren't coming true.
As for smears, a smear is not a smear if it's true. UKIP is allied with Neo-Fascist political groups. It is also shameful, BTW, that the UK is allied with the Saudis.
4v6 said:
Breadvan and others chuck around the racist red card like its going out of fashion, seemingly without understanding why theyre all bass ackwards on it.
Just done Political Compass, first time I've done that and puts me almost smack bang on mark with nelson mandela, left libertarianist yet Ukips policies appeal to me far more than ed milliband or cleggdems.
How can that be??
Its obviously far more complex than just saying "right wing =racist left wing = marxist" so why not just knock it off with the purile racist slurs of ukip supporters?
Its not like youll get us to vote red ed, however loud you shout, its been done to death and people quite rightly are well wise to that snake belly low tactic.
Give it a rest already.
I sit between Nelson Mandella and the Dali Laima...........go figure!Just done Political Compass, first time I've done that and puts me almost smack bang on mark with nelson mandela, left libertarianist yet Ukips policies appeal to me far more than ed milliband or cleggdems.
How can that be??
Its obviously far more complex than just saying "right wing =racist left wing = marxist" so why not just knock it off with the purile racist slurs of ukip supporters?
Its not like youll get us to vote red ed, however loud you shout, its been done to death and people quite rightly are well wise to that snake belly low tactic.
Give it a rest already.
Derek Smith said:
HonestIago said:
I am a 24yo graduate and will be voting UKIP. The only reason more graduates/young people don't support UKIP is that they are utterly naive to the treachery of LibLabCon. If they haven't ever questioned the PC media or the Marxist education they've no doubt had then they simply know no better. Clegg's U-turn on tuition fees fills me with glee to this day!
At last, we've found that unique individual, a youngster who sees through all the rubbish and can sort out the world's troubles.None around when I was 24.
I am really enjoying this thread. I don't often laugh out loud whilst looking at a computer on a Tuesday morning
Derek - have another
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