What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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It's an odd thing in this country, desperate to find anything it can to cling to and hold up as racism and then beat it's head on the ground is some kinda self flagellation to atone for something. Meanwhile, half the world can't wait to get here and are hanging to the undercarriage of jet liners, trains and trucks at Dover to get here and escape real persecution because they see the UK as nothing like that.
It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
Rovinghawk said:
Breadvan72 said:
In Texas, and other traditionally conservative parts of the US there is a lot of poverty and the associated ignorance and fear. The oil money does not spread as widely or fairly as it should. One of the ironies of the US is that, broadly speaking, the pro Federal Democrat States raise the Federal revenues, and the anti Federal Republican States spend them.
Interesting- do you have a source I can read?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_...
These two pieces are op eds from a Democrat standpoint, so apply a sensible discount for spin, but they do at least indicate sources in census and IRS data.
http://www.occupydemocrats.com/surprise-red-states...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/2...
Mr_B said:
It's an odd thing in this country, desperate to find anything it can to cling to and hold up as racism and then beat it's head on the ground is some kinda self flagellation to atone for something. Meanwhile, half the world can't wait to get here and are hanging to the undercarriage of jet liners, trains and trucks at Dover to get here and escape real persecution because they see the UK as nothing like that.
It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
If/when you experience racism, you might change that tune.It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
IanA2 said:
Mr_B said:
It's an odd thing in this country, desperate to find anything it can to cling to and hold up as racism and then beat it's head on the ground is some kinda self flagellation to atone for something. Meanwhile, half the world can't wait to get here and are hanging to the undercarriage of jet liners, trains and trucks at Dover to get here and escape real persecution because they see the UK as nothing like that.
It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
If/when you experience racism, you might change that tune.It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
IanA2 said:
Mr_B said:
It's an odd thing in this country, desperate to find anything it can to cling to and hold up as racism and then beat it's head on the ground is some kinda self flagellation to atone for something. Meanwhile, half the world can't wait to get here and are hanging to the undercarriage of jet liners, trains and trucks at Dover to get here and escape real persecution because they see the UK as nothing like that.
It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
If/when you experience racism, you might change that tune.It gets very boring when if you do nothing other than stay silent to an open door immigration policy, you get some moralising do-gooder trying to paint that as some how far right racism, all the time patting himself on the back about his own totally non-racist credentials in a aren't I wonderful kinda way.
IanA2 said:
I lived in Padua in the early 80's and had the "pleasure" of bumping into a few of the Liga Veneto (forerunners of this Nord mob) and believe me they are not nice people. How people in this country can forget what the fascists and the nazis did in Europe astounds me. Go vist Dachau.
Ian,as all movements/parties not alla the members are the same and share exactly the same views and behaviours. The party has changed a lot since it's origin, has shared the ruling of the country for almost a decade and it's as far as you can go from a fascist party (that by the way, would be incostitutional by italian laws). Sometimes with gut reactions, sometimes with unortodox ways, they have tried to highlight the unsustainability of migration policies that the left and christian-democratic party, for different reasons have always supported.
What they tried to highlight with this stunt, not supported by the direction of the party, was to highlight how, despite the strong presence of military forces patroling the EU borders, it is still possible for these "boat-people" to land (albeit travelling in the other direction) on the EU coasts.
FredClogs said:
WinstonWolf said:
I've experienced racism and I still agree.
Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
We agree on something, we should have a fully open door policy.Our current open door policy with Europe discriminates against people from every other continent.
brenflys777 said:
Breadvan72 - you've stated that ukip/Farage are allied to a neo-fascist group. In what way are they allied?
UKIP and the Lega Nord, an Italian Neo-Fascist party, are the two leading components of a group of MEPs called "Europe of Freedom and Democracy". Farage is or was until recently Co-President of the Group. The other Co-President is one of the the leaders of the Lega Nord, and has spoken in praise of the ideas of Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik. brenflys777 said:
Breadvan72 - you've stated that ukip/Farage are allied to a neo-fascist group. In what way are they allied?
Since BV seems to be busy with work this afternoon - how's this for starters? Links with European far-right parties....Ukip is part of the group Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD). The group includes representatives of the Danish People’s Party, the True Finns Party, the Dutch SGP and the infamous Italian Lega Nord – all of them far-right. Nigel Farage is co-President of the group along with Lega Nord’s Francesco Speroni, who described multiple murderer Anders Breivik as someone whose “ideas are in defence of western civilisation." Link: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-... I wonder how big a fan Farage is of Breivik, or perhaps even vice versa.....
Enricogto said:
IanA2 said:
I lived in Padua in the early 80's and had the "pleasure" of bumping into a few of the Liga Veneto (forerunners of this Nord mob) and believe me they are not nice people. How people in this country can forget what the fascists and the nazis did in Europe astounds me. Go vist Dachau.
Ian,as all movements/parties not alla the members are the same and share exactly the same views and behaviours. The party has changed a lot since it's origin, has shared the ruling of the country for almost a decade and it's as far as you can go from a fascist party (that by the way, would be incostitutional by italian laws). Sometimes with gut reactions, sometimes with unortodox ways, they have tried to highlight the unsustainability of migration policies that the left and christian-democratic party, for different reasons have always supported.
What they tried to highlight with this stunt, not supported by the direction of the party, was to highlight how, despite the strong presence of military forces patroling the EU borders, it is still possible for these "boat-people" to land (albeit travelling in the other direction) on the EU coasts.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. In any case the fact that fascism is unconstitutional hardly means that there are no fascists in Italy. You say that things have changed since the early days, well they must have changed a lot as the folks I met in Padova were incostituzionale autentico.
AshVX220 said:
For me, the EU question is a small part of why I like UKIP. I've said in the other threads many times, for me I like their views of small government, self responsability and common sense.
I can't be arsed to write all the stuff I did before it failed to post, but basically I was just saying that as I tire of debating against the same old slurs, I was merely trying to bring my own little bit of humour to the thread.
I'm not sure that the UKIP re for small government.I can't be arsed to write all the stuff I did before it failed to post, but basically I was just saying that as I tire of debating against the same old slurs, I was merely trying to bring my own little bit of humour to the thread.
Isn't the only party going for reduced central government labour? Isn't it their policy to give the regions - whatever they are - some form of devolved responsibility.
The idea of small government is classic liberal and there are none of them around nowadays, and certainly this does not include the UKIP.
Where do people get their ideas on what the UKIP stand for from? Perhaps it is because they are tired.
By all means support whichever party you want but have you worked out the borrowing requirement of the UKIP? They certainly haven't.
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