What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.
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Guam said:
Well as far as we know he is not covering up for Kiddy Fiddlers, so he is head and shoulders above the Lib dems no (speaking as a former Liberal)?
Are you sure?http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2964/uk...
Disclaimer: I don't think NF or UKIP have been covering up for kiddie fiddlers but if the game is "tarring everybody with the same brush" then I guess it's fair play.
Breadvan72 said:
UKIP can guarantee nothing as the party has no chance of forming a Government or holding the balance of power in a hung Parliament.
Cameron has made his promise. He is a politician, and he might break it, but I think he means to keep it. I am not a fan of Cameron, and I may be wrong about his plans, but I think if you really want the referendum you should vote Tory. I am concerned about the EU (democratic deficit, financial waste, CAP, mission creep) but it is not sufficiently high up on my list of concerns about stuff to make me vote Tory.
Don't be such a dunderhead. I wasted a vote on the Tories last election, I won't do it again. Cameron has made his promise. He is a politician, and he might break it, but I think he means to keep it. I am not a fan of Cameron, and I may be wrong about his plans, but I think if you really want the referendum you should vote Tory. I am concerned about the EU (democratic deficit, financial waste, CAP, mission creep) but it is not sufficiently high up on my list of concerns about stuff to make me vote Tory.
I don't believe for one second the Tories would even be considering a referendum unless they knew the pressure is on. There's a danger they won't get the result they want...
Guam said:
Countdown said:
Guam said:
Well as far as we know he is not covering up for Kiddy Fiddlers, so he is head and shoulders above the Lib dems no (speaking as a former Liberal)?
Are you sure?http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/2964/uk...
Disclaimer: I don't think NF or UKIP have been covering up for kiddie fiddlers but if the game is "tarring everybody with the same brush" then I guess it's fair play.
fblm said:
FredClogs said:
...the Lords (unelected appointed commissionaires that they are)...
But they are now appointed by democratically elected representatives. Isn't that the standard defence to the observation that Barosso, Rumpoy, Ashton and the rest of the cabal are unelected?FredClogs said:
fblm said:
FredClogs said:
...the Lords (unelected appointed commissionaires that they are)...
But they are now appointed by democratically elected representatives. Isn't that the standard defence to the observation that Barosso, Rumpoy, Ashton and the rest of the cabal are unelected?
fblm said:
If I'm honest responding to your post made me realise I'm broadly a supporter of the Lords whilst despising the EU commission with a passion, which I need to think about. I suspect those of a leftist persuasion are equally conflicted t'other way round.
Not I. I think that the Commission and the Lords are both rubbish, at least in concept, although from time to time in practice each of them can still do some good stuff (the Lords do this more often than the Commission, probably). In general, I would say elections good, appointments bad. I don't suggest elections for every public office, as then you just get unstable rule by populism, as happens in some aspects of US Government, but for bodies that have legislative power I'd rather that we vote the members in and out. Breadvan72 said:
Not I. I think that the Commission and the Lords are both rubbish, at least in concept, although from time to time in practice each of them can still do some good stuff (the Lords do this more often than the Commission, probably). In general, I would say elections good, appointments bad. I don't suggest elections for every public office, as then you just get unstable rule by populism, as happens in some aspects of US Government, but for bodies that have legislative power I'd rather that we vote the members in and out.
I tend to agree. I like the idea of a body, not driven by the need to be re-elected, with the ability to throw a spanner in the works of s
t legislation but I massively object to a bunch of Bishops and hereditary inbreds having any say what so ever, in anything. As for the Commission, I'll just say; Ashton, WTF?Guam said:
otolith said:
Breadvan72 said:
rule by populism
Heaven forfend! 
Guam said:
Doubtless BV will be along in a mo to accuse the Late Queen Mum of complicity due to guilt by association, bang goes his hope of becoming a Judge then
Yikes! I would rather vote UKIP than be a Judge!PS: Always did think that Queen Mother looked a bit dodgy. No one could drink that much gin and not be an Illuminati Alien Lizardoid, surely?
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, but Churchill also correctly described democracy as the worst system of Government except for all the others.
I like this one "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." That's very apt considering today's latest media fabrication don't you think?I'd say Farage is the closest thing we've had to Churchill since Churchill.
Breadvan72 said:
The point that I am making is that there is a distinction between democracy and mere majoritarianism. Rule by and for the people is not quite the same as populism. Democracy is not three foxes and one chicken deciding what to have for lunch (I have forgotten who said that and CBA to Google it). On the subject of public officials, if we elected, for example, every Chief Constable, Judge, General, NHS Hospital CEO, Bank of England Governor, Rail Regulator, and so on, we might find that we lost out on expertise and willingness to make unpopular decisions in favour of those who can court popularity.
The trouble is, it's hard to tell the difference between that kind of democracy and a political elite ignoring the will of the people they are meant to represent because they think they know better. The argument is really a thinly decorated appeal to benign dictatorship.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff