What's Italian for 'kipper? Anti-migrant stunt goes awry.

[10 Pence Short]

WinstonWolf said:

You are completely wrong, you're projecting your own prejudices on the wrong party. People who don't like darkies will obviously be more attracted to the BNP.

Erm, it is you who mentions 'darkies' not me. Are you suggesting UKIP does not attract those who dislike immigration?

[WinstonWolf]

10 Pence Short said:

WinstonWolf said:

You are completely wrong, you're projecting your own prejudices on the wrong party. People who don't like darkies will obviously be more attracted to the BNP.

Are you suggesting UKIP does not attract those who dislike immigration?

UKIP standing up for the rights of Sikhs to wear the Kripan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-J-vz64cOE

You were saying?

[steveT350C]

10 Pence Short said:

WinstonWolf said:

Me too. Link to a single poster here who hates immigrants or be damned...

I haven't suggested anyone on this thread hates immigrants. I suggest people who dislike immigrants are attracted to UKIP. The better people are doing in their lives, the less they feel the need to dislike things that become peripheral in their lives (such as the EU and immigrants).

In other words, the number of people moved to vote for UKIPs headline policies is bound to reduce as their personal fortunes improve.

Major spin fail!

That said, you have highlighted a problem. The problem is not UKIP policies, the problem is the media's spin of their policies. Spin that you seem to have been spun by.

UKIP's immigration policy is the only non-racist immigration policy available to be voted for by the UK voters.

[10 Pence Short]

WinstonWolf said:

UKIP standing up for the rights of Sikhs to wear the Kripan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-J-vz64cOE

You were saying?

Why are you connecting Sikhs with immigration?

[WinstonWolf]

10 Pence Short said:

WinstonWolf said:

UKIP standing up for the rights of Sikhs to wear the Kripan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-J-vz64cOE

You were saying?

Why are you connecting Sikhs with immigration?

Join the dots, this is Janet and John book 1A...

I'm afraid your prejudice doesn't cut it with me...

[steveT350C]

10 Pence Short said:

WinstonWolf said:

UKIP standing up for the rights of Sikhs to wear the Kripan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-J-vz64cOE

You were saying?

Why are you connecting Sikhs with immigration?

Why do you connect wanting to exit the EU with hating immigrants?

[10 Pence Short]

WinstonWolf said:

Join the dots, this is Janet and John book 1A...

I'm afraid your prejudice doesn't cut it with me...

It is your Janet and John, or 'darkie' and 'Sikh' as you put it, in response to my use of the word 'immigrant'.

That says a lot about you.

[10 Pence Short]

steveT350C said:

Why do you connect wanting to exit the EU with hating immigrants?

I haven't. Yet you seemed to.

[steveT350C]

10 Pence Short said:

steveT350C said:

Why do you connect wanting to exit the EU with hating immigrants?

I haven't. Yet you seemed to.

You did on the previous page

[WinstonWolf]

10 Pence Short said:

WinstonWolf said:

Join the dots, this is Janet and John book 1A...

I'm afraid your prejudice doesn't cut it with me...

It is your Janet and John, or 'darkie' and 'Sikh' as you put it, in response to my use of the word 'immigrant'.

That says a lot about you.

knob...

UKIP are not prejudiced, you are...

[10 Pence Short]

steveT350C said:

You did on the previous page

I think you ought to read again what was written. The two are distinct issues and were written that way.

I repeat, it is you who has made the connection, not me.

[steveT350C]

10 Pence Short said:

steveT350C said:

You did on the previous page

I think you ought to read again what was written. The two are distinct issues and were written that way.

I repeat, it is you who has made the connection, not me.

If you want to play silly games with how you worded something fair enough.

You asked, "Do people hate the EU and immigrants enough to risk their own rising prosperity?"

Are you not lumping people who 'hate' the EU, or want to exit the EU' in adult language, with people who 'hate' immigration?

Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 16th April 21:27

[10 Pence Short]

I don't think I need to. I've finished conversing with bigots this evening, thank you.

[steveT350C]

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think I need to. I've finished conversing with bigots this evening, thank you.

Where are the bigots?

[steveT350C]

Are you able to refute this 10pence short....

UKIP's immigration policy is the only non-racist immigration policy available to the UK electorate

[DonkeyApple]

don4l said:

DonkeyApple said:

I'm not voting for a guy but for a party.

I've not accused anyone of not getting it either. In fact, the exact opposite, I have stated time and again that I don't get UKIP and asked questions to which no one seems able to answer.

On the matter of the EU the only party with any ability to offer the British people a say are the Tories. No one has been able to explain just how UKIP which is really just a one man party could deliver. At the same time no one can explain just what it is they are doing in Europe.

If you really believe that Dave Cameron will offer you a referendum on EU membership, then you're a little bit "special".

He told us this before, and some people were stupid enough to believe it.

I'm a bit gobsmacked that anybody would be stupid enough to fall for the same ste twice.

I suspect that you might just be missing the point.

[WinstonWolf]

steveT350C said:

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think I need to. I've finished conversing with bigots this evening, thank you.

Where are the bigots?

Oh dear, people not living up to your prejudiced preconceptions Tenners?

I believe I speak for every single UKIP voter here when I say we're not anti-immigrant, but we all want sensible sustainable controls on immigration.

[WinstonWolf]

Guam said:

steveT350C said:

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think I need to. I've finished conversing with bigots this evening, thank you.

Where are the bigots?

I think he should be careful hurling that around if this definition is to be believed?

big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
Full Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Ooh, that's good, that's very very good. Now you mention it I've seen an awful lot of bigotry just lately

[4v6]

steveT350C said:

10 Pence Short said:

I don't think I need to. I've finished conversing with bigots this evening, thank you.

Where are the bigots?

Over there on the Left. As always.

[DonkeyApple]

Guam said:

DonkeyApple said:

Guam said:

DonkeyApple said:

Guam said:

DonkeyApple said:

WinstonWolf said:

DonkeyApple said:

WinstonWolf said:

I voted for Dave against my better judgement last time, I won't make the same mistake again. I refuse to vote for a Green party. Join us voting UKIP, you know it is the only way to defeat Labour

As no one can really explain that UKIP isn't just another public school politician milking the system for personal gain and as they offer absolutely no chance of the British people having a say on the EU then I have no choice but to stick to the cowardly and unlike able Dave whose party is offering me a voice on the matter. UKIP seems like one big money scam. They have no 'cabinet' members, no chance of winning the election, no ability to take part in a coalition and seem to have the only political tactic of taking potential Tory voters who don't accept the 'middle ground' thus strengthening Labours chances of winning.

The fact that no UKIP supporter has been able to detail who their cabinet would be, how they could form a coalition or just what exactly it is they are doing in Europe and why seems to speak volumes. I think they are a scam and that those at the top are making a fortune while exploiting Britons.

Did Dave lay out his cabinet before the last election? If so how, because he didn't know who was going win which seat...

Vote UKIP you know it makes sense

The main parties have a depth of members that makes it possible to form a cabinet. This is the vital difference.

Can you list 20 UKIP members who would be capable of being put into ministerial positions? If the major parties struggle then how can a party with only one central figure manage it?

In fairness DA the same exact point used to be leveled at the liberals, parties have to start somewhere

Very true but 2015 is far too crucial a year for this. Some general elections are more important than others and during lesser ones then favouring new parties has credence but arguably 2015 will be a major one and I find it strange that people who want to leave the EU would risk letting Labour in by not supporting the only alternative to Labour and the only party that could deliver a referendum.

But every year is crucial to one party or the other, it will never change, unless people take risks, the vote liberal get Tory, vote UKIP get labour canard is a busted flush, if the Tories want to hit UKIP then they have to win back those who have been disillusioned by them, it wont be down to me ( or those like me), if labour get in next time round, it will be down to the Conservatives, they created this mess, as have labour to a large extent, CMD has had every opportunity, his back benchers have been telling him long enough, fewer and fewer people vote with each passing year? Why does anyone suppose that is?

Castigating those of us who at the very least will still support the process by exercising our mandate, due to the choice we MAY make seems a strange way to garner support imho.

Who am I castigating? Why does everyone think they are a victim?

Every year may be crucial to a party but that isn't what is relevant about 2015. We have had the deepest recession in living memory due to excessive debt and insufficient regulation. The current party have barely got any side of this under control. The opposition are very clearly not going to continue but ramp up debt and spending again. The importance of this election is that more than most it is going to be one that has big implications as to how our children live the rest of their lives.

I wasnt suggesting YOU were and I apologise if it read that way, not my intention at all, it was a general comment not aimed directly at you

ETA, but they havent even scratched the surface of the problem by most economists assessment, indeed some suggest it is still worsening, if so it wont make a blind bit of difference which tie colour gets in, our grandchildren will likely still be paying it back whatever happens in 2015.

Edited by Guam on Wednesday 16th April 20:56

Yes, the reality is that they have cut nothing other than future above inflation spending and even then they have struggled.

At the same time they have lacked the real strength of character to make serious changes. They have been the party that economically can be summed up by their putting of 1p on a pint of beer.

However, they have ensured we kept our rating which has been hugely beneficial. They have reduced our dependency on the EU market place by promoting trade in the Commonwealth and China. And most importantly they have made huge inroads in removing as many of the Blair plants in important organisations that had been politicised.

And there also needs to be credit that they have managed to hold back public sector pay without triggering excessive union bile.

The key is that there is a lot more to be done and despite weaklings like Cameron, oddballs like Gove and other weasels they are the only party capable of keeping Labour from starting all over again with their wealth divide expansions, geopolitical gerrymandering, massive over spending and their desire to convert the whole of the UK into some social utopia.

As someone said in this thread or another, it's like trying to choose which end of a turd to pick up but the firmer end of the log is the Tories. UKIP and the LibDems are second fiddle, just chatter but dangerous chatter.