Cyril Smith - the revellations

[Thorodin]

Do you sometimes think 'I wish I was important. I could do anything I wanted to and get away with it. Not only that, as they are all at it I'd have lots of mates as well'. Then you realise that you wouldn't dream of doing what they do so it would be a waste of time?

[carinaman]

Lord Steele is to be on Radio 4's WATO. Seems he wants an apology and damages from the Daily Mail over their coverage saying that the Lib Dems covered it up.

[carinaman]

Derek Smith said:

The name of the woman was also mentioned but I assumed she was Asian, so that shows how far off I was.

Using Google to search for this thread, I came across this:

https://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress.com/2013/...

I'm not sure if her husband appears Asian in that photo? It doesn't sound like the best of environments to raise kids in.

Another reason I came across that was that I wanted to mention the last paragraph of page 219 of the Norman Baker MP book on the death of Dr. David Kelly. Rather like the information that Carole Kasir could have had could have been used for blackmail or leverage, the book mentions how some submission from a member of the public that was deemed worthy, or crackpot, enough to be linked to the Hutton Inquiry online to act as a warning to someone involved in the Hutton Inquiry to toe the line and not rock the boat.

[sjn2004]

carinaman said:

Lord Steele is to be on Radio 4's WATO. Seems he wants an apology and damages from the Daily Mail over their coverage saying that the Lib Dems covered it up.

Would this be the Lord Steele that said Smith admitted to him that he spanked boys?

[carinaman]

sjn2004 said:

carinaman said:

Lord Steele is to be on Radio 4's WATO. Seems he wants an apology and damages from the Daily Mail over their coverage saying that the Lib Dems covered it up.

Would this be the Lord Steele that said Smith admitted to him that he spanked boys?

I think it was. I think he may have played some technicality like 'That was before he was a Lib Dem MP.....

I think it was a technicality like the way the Warnock Inquiry can't look back to what was happening at Knowl View before 1980 even though this chap has been done for raping a minor in the 70s:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616917/Br...

And Max Clifford was convicted of crimes in the 70s.

[MrCarPark]

carinaman said:

Derek Smith said:

The name of the woman was also mentioned but I assumed she was Asian, so that shows how far off I was.

Using Google to search for this thread, I came across this:

https://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress.com/2013/...

I'm not sure if her husband appears Asian in that photo? It doesn't sound like the best of environments to raise kids in.

Another reason I came across that was that I wanted to mention the last paragraph of page 219 of the Norman Baker MP book on the death of Dr. David Kelly. Rather like the information that Carole Kasir could have had could have been used for blackmail or leverage, the book mentions how some submission from a member of the public that was deemed worthy, or crackpot, enough to be linked to the Hutton Inquiry online to act as a warning to someone involved in the Hutton Inquiry to toe the line and not rock the boat.

A fuller background to the Kasir raid here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORU5x-ryedU&lis...

[Olf]

I understand somebody named Peter will be 'fingered' next...

[condor]

In my local weekly paper ( Bedfordshire on Sunday ) there is this comment written by Steve Lowe (who's the director of content on editorial team).


"POLICE are examining whether there is evidence of a criminal cover-up over claims of sexual abuse of school boys by the late MP, Sir Cyril Smith. Maybe they should look closer to home.

A former police officer told me that there was an extensive police inquiry into allegations against Smith in the 1970/80s.

They came up with a pretty damning, and conclusive, report that he had sexually abused boys on a regular and consistent scale.

The report was apparently quietly dropped. Perhaps now is the time to resurrect it?

And while on the subject, when are the former boys of Shefford Boys Home going to get justice?

Their case is overwhelming and the police should act on it. Not only that but the Catholic Church should come clean and apologise. Incidentally those former boys told me of Savile and Smith many years ago. They also gave me another name.

I am not one for conspiracy theories but I’m beginning to doubt my own doubt.

Bottom part of 2-part article
http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/Blogs/Steve-Low...

[carinaman]

Simon Danczuk MP that co-wrote the book has been querying why the Warnock Inquiry is limited to the 80s and 90s.

But this St Paul's School in Barnes involves investigations going back further than that.

[carinaman]

Seems a Mr Shepherd reported his concerns to the Council and the police is to be interviewed on Radio 4's PM with Eddie Mair. The council and the police didn't investigate it. It's like the Trojan Horse stuff in Birmingham? The authorities know about it but don't want to know?

[carinaman]

Good old Data Protection:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27...

So much for 'If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide'!

[carinaman]

Good to hear Simon Danczuk MP on Today in Parliament on Radio 4. I'm hearing lots of words.

Seems he's discussing this in front of Parliament or a PASC on Tuesday.

[carinaman]

When Simon Danczuk MP was on Today a few months ago, John Humphrys mentioned the political angle, but the late Geoffrey Dickens MP was a Tory.

If the Wikipedia entry for the Geoffrey Dickens MP is correct he sounds like a top bloke. I can see some merit in Danczuk picking up his baton and running with it.

[FiF]

Tory MP stopped at Dover in 80s in possession of child sex videos. Evidence seized by Customs officer and reported. No further action and evidence missing.

link 1

MPs considering nuclear option of naming suspects in Westminster abuse ring under Parliamentary privilege.

Link 2

[Thorodin]

I've no wish to mitigate in any way for recent events but I somehow suspect that the dossier given to Leon Brittan, which mysteriously went missing, will never prompt anything like the hue and cry after Harris, Roache and Travis et al. There's an old establishment mantra: "They shall not get their horny hands on him" which was last uttered following Lucan's escape. It conveys precisely the irrelevance the establishment mind set accords to the proles.

[anonymous-user]

Thorodin said:

I've no wish to mitigate in any way for recent events but I somehow suspect that the dossier given to Leon Brittan, which mysteriously went missing, will never prompt anything like the hue and cry after Harris, Roache and Travis et al. There's an old establishment mantra: "They shall not get their horny hands on him" which was last uttered following Lucan's escape. It conveys precisely the irrelevance the establishment mind set accords to the proles.

Am I missing something or is their not that much coverage of this dossier matter?

Seems outrageous to me, but the coverage feels a bit muted.

[carinaman]

desolate said:

Thorodin said:

I've no wish to mitigate in any way for recent events but I somehow suspect that the dossier given to Leon Brittan, which mysteriously went missing, will never prompt anything like the hue and cry after Harris, Roache and Travis et al. There's an old establishment mantra: "They shall not get their horny hands on him" which was last uttered following Lucan's escape. It conveys precisely the irrelevance the establishment mind set accords to the proles.

Am I missing something or is their not that much coverage of this dossier matter?

Seems outrageous to me, but the coverage feels a bit muted.

Simon Danczuk MP has been threatening to use parliamentary privilege for a while now, and I think as Thorodin says at the moment we're more wrapped up in Savile, Harris and the phone hacking.

It may feel that like they're intent on playing it down and it's unusual, but besides Cyril Smith in Rochdale there's this chap:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26388164

And a police officer that was told to drop it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/424...

And went to the BBC.

So victims are told to come forward, but in the accusations made by Simon Danczuk MP it seems to be getting downplayed. With an election next year Cameron can't afford any more bad news about his party, but perhaps there was a reason that the Daily Mail/MoS were racking over the PIE/NCCL stuff if it's linked to this dossier that the late Geoffrey Dickens gave to Lord Brittan.

And Wavy Dave said of Coulson's conviction 'No one is above the law'. Perhaps that only applies to some crimes and criminals?

[carinaman]

desolate said:

Am I missing something or is their not that much coverage of this dossier matter?

Seems outrageous to me, but the coverage feels a bit muted.

It's been brewing for a while:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elm-guest-hou...

Shame it seems the copy of the dossier was destroyed.

[12TS]

desolate said:

Am I missing something or is their not that much coverage of this dossier matter?

Seems outrageous to me, but the coverage feels a bit muted.

I'd agree. C4 news lead with it one night but it's not very prominent elsewhere, even in The Guardian.

[Jasandjules]

desolate said:

Am I missing something or is their not that much coverage of this dossier matter?

Seems outrageous to me, but the coverage feels a bit muted.

You are correct. Ask the BBC and ITV why they are not making more of this? I know I shall be.

The "Establishment" needs to be brought to its knees if it thinks this kind of conduct is acceptable.
If you or I did anything remotely similar we'd have the police knocking at the door, I see no reason why those responsible for this should not be facing a similar fate.