Cyril Smith - the revellations
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"Two retired detectives have reportedly backed claims that young boys were murdered by politicians at paedophile orgies.
The claims, said to be in new written statements handed to the Metropolitan Police, have emerged just a week after a witness called 'Nick' claimed he saw a Tory MP throttle a 12-year-old boy to death.
Scotland Yard has already confirmed it is examining a 'possible homicide' committed 30 years ago by a paedophile ring whose ranks included senior Establishment figures.
The revelation came as the Home Secretary Theresa May admitted the recent spate of child abuse allegations were only the 'tip of the iceberg"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845969/Fo...
The claims, said to be in new written statements handed to the Metropolitan Police, have emerged just a week after a witness called 'Nick' claimed he saw a Tory MP throttle a 12-year-old boy to death.
Scotland Yard has already confirmed it is examining a 'possible homicide' committed 30 years ago by a paedophile ring whose ranks included senior Establishment figures.
The revelation came as the Home Secretary Theresa May admitted the recent spate of child abuse allegations were only the 'tip of the iceberg"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845969/Fo...
BlackLabel said:
"Two retired detectives have reportedly backed claims that young boys were murdered by politicians at paedophile orgies.
The claims, said to be in new written statements handed to the Metropolitan Police, have emerged just a week after a witness called 'Nick' claimed he saw a Tory MP throttle a 12-year-old boy to death.
Scotland Yard has already confirmed it is examining a 'possible homicide' committed 30 years ago by a paedophile ring whose ranks included senior Establishment figures.
The revelation came as the Home Secretary Theresa May admitted the recent spate of child abuse allegations were only the 'tip of the iceberg"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845969/Fo...
Just one was found while another was shredded by the Ministry of Justice, which took possession of the dossier, just three years ago.The claims, said to be in new written statements handed to the Metropolitan Police, have emerged just a week after a witness called 'Nick' claimed he saw a Tory MP throttle a 12-year-old boy to death.
Scotland Yard has already confirmed it is examining a 'possible homicide' committed 30 years ago by a paedophile ring whose ranks included senior Establishment figures.
The revelation came as the Home Secretary Theresa May admitted the recent spate of child abuse allegations were only the 'tip of the iceberg"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845969/Fo...
In their government-commissioned report, the men concluded: ‘It is ... not possible to say whether files were ever removed or destroyed to cover up or hide allegations of organised or systematic child abuse by particular individuals because of the systems then in place.
'We cannot say that no file was removed or destroyed for that reason.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845969/Fo...
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utter f
king scum,the so called societal elite supposedly in chardge of running this countryt are the worst dregs of society. the plummy voices,saville row suits and membership of the old boys network make them no better than any other murdering child raping scum.will be interesting to see how long it takes for names to be mentioned,and by f
k they better be subject to the same force of the law any other murdering paedos ,whether some are ex or current judiciary or not. if not, i will do at least one of them myself.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/retired-scotl...
Police saying they were ordered not to investigate, Who gave these orders?
Nonce wined and dined at house of commons.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-tory-mp-w...
The system is rotten to the core.
Police saying they were ordered not to investigate, Who gave these orders?
Nonce wined and dined at house of commons.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-tory-mp-w...
The system is rotten to the core.
Edited by dudleybloke on Monday 24th November 01:02
dudleybloke said:
The system is rotten to the core.
Hmm... the system promotes the idea that if you have paid your debt to society (as it were) then you should be entitled to a second chance. Whether or not it's right, that is the system. On that basis I would argue that it's not rotten.Edited by dudleybloke on Monday 24th November 01:02
RobinBanks said:
Hmm... the system promotes the idea that if you have paid your debt to society (as it were) then you should be entitled to a second chance. Whether or not it's right, that is the system. On that basis I would argue that it's not rotten.
Unless you are a Sheffield United footballer. 
In those days, the stifling of the press meant that the information could not surface. If there was info about, for instance, a tory MP then labour could not reveal it for their advantage as they had their own MPs who were involved.
Nowadays we have the internet and it is difficult to remember how it was in those days when you had not outlet as most papers were part of the establishment.
Whilst the DM slags off the police, one wonders where they were at the time. It would appear that everyone knew yet no one did anything.
I spoke with a detective involved in the enquiry into Smith, the one that went missing. My question was: What are you going to do now? The reply was: What can we do?
With MI6, MI5 and SB all concentrating on what was a civil war and then the threat to democracy of the miners' strike, any revelations which might show parliament in a bad light were obviously to be suppressed for the good of the nation as the mps see themselves as the nation.
What is surprising is the level of paedophile behaviour in the world, including this country. It makes you wonder which judges liked to interfere with little kids, which senior officers, which senior military.
There was an inspector who I worked with on occasion who suddenly left the job. It turned out that his computer had paedophile images on it. Deleted but no sufficiently.
The level of corruption is quite shocking. The level of protection is a scandal.
Nowadays we have the internet and it is difficult to remember how it was in those days when you had not outlet as most papers were part of the establishment.
Whilst the DM slags off the police, one wonders where they were at the time. It would appear that everyone knew yet no one did anything.
I spoke with a detective involved in the enquiry into Smith, the one that went missing. My question was: What are you going to do now? The reply was: What can we do?
With MI6, MI5 and SB all concentrating on what was a civil war and then the threat to democracy of the miners' strike, any revelations which might show parliament in a bad light were obviously to be suppressed for the good of the nation as the mps see themselves as the nation.
What is surprising is the level of paedophile behaviour in the world, including this country. It makes you wonder which judges liked to interfere with little kids, which senior officers, which senior military.
There was an inspector who I worked with on occasion who suddenly left the job. It turned out that his computer had paedophile images on it. Deleted but no sufficiently.
The level of corruption is quite shocking. The level of protection is a scandal.
Derek Smith said:
In those days, the stifling of the press meant that the information could not surface. If there was info about, for instance, a tory MP then labour could not reveal it for their advantage as they had their own MPs who were involved...
You hit the nail on the head here; the majority of the press is, to a certain extent, beholden to either or both of the main political parties to varying degrees. Even if the suppression was not an official line, it is clear that pressure could be brought to bear through unofficial channels at the very least.Derek Smith said:
Nowadays we have the internet and it is difficult to remember how it was in those days when you had not outlet as most papers were part of the establishment.
I truly hope that the internet will help to redress some of the unaccountability that politicians and public officials have previously enjoyed. Whilst there is a difficult line between national security and transparency - possibly, arguably, well crossed by Wikkileaks - there is nonetheless a clear need for greater checks and balances.I don't like the fact that so much time, money and resources is going into 'investigating' the state's response to these historical allegations... at this moment in time.
There is and should always be accountability on behalf of the authorities but now it should be left for a later date unless all or part of the government's reaction plays a part in the actual facts.
Part 1 is surely getting to the bottom of the allegations.
Then and only then should the reasons behind the reaction/inaction of the security services and Special Branch be investigated with any gusto.
Typical arse about face stuff at the moment.
There is and should always be accountability on behalf of the authorities but now it should be left for a later date unless all or part of the government's reaction plays a part in the actual facts.
Part 1 is surely getting to the bottom of the allegations.
Then and only then should the reasons behind the reaction/inaction of the security services and Special Branch be investigated with any gusto.
Typical arse about face stuff at the moment.
It's interesting how differently each of these cases was dealt with:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370917/To...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11239...
And look how the Social Workers in London were berated over the death of Victoria Climbié, compared to the way those sexually abusing and possibly killing kids may have been covered up by the establishment and authorities?
It bears comparison to Shaun Wright being the elected PCC for South Yorks. after being the Council big cheese for Social and/or Child Care while kids were being sexually abused and targetted?
There are bigger fish than Shaun Wright and he's just one that stood by and looked the other direction, not one of those having sex with children.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370917/To...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11239...
And look how the Social Workers in London were berated over the death of Victoria Climbié, compared to the way those sexually abusing and possibly killing kids may have been covered up by the establishment and authorities?
It bears comparison to Shaun Wright being the elected PCC for South Yorks. after being the Council big cheese for Social and/or Child Care while kids were being sexually abused and targetted?
There are bigger fish than Shaun Wright and he's just one that stood by and looked the other direction, not one of those having sex with children.
Derek Smith said:
What is surprising is the level of paedophile behaviour in the world, including this country. It makes you wonder which judges liked to interfere with little kids, which senior officers, which senior military.
There was an inspector who I worked with on occasion who suddenly left the job. It turned out that his computer had paedophile images on it. Deleted but no sufficiently.
The level of corruption is quite shocking. The level of protection is a scandal.
We monitor sex offenders when they travel and it is surprising how many there are and that is only ones found guilty in a court. I remember being shocked by the Dutroux case but it seems that the same things have been going on here but for a longer time.There was an inspector who I worked with on occasion who suddenly left the job. It turned out that his computer had paedophile images on it. Deleted but no sufficiently.
The level of corruption is quite shocking. The level of protection is a scandal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26388164
Was it a corrupt police officer or orders from above?
The child abuser and the police officer that called around his house while it was under police surveillance are both dead now so.....
Was it a corrupt police officer or orders from above?
The child abuser and the police officer that called around his house while it was under police surveillance are both dead now so.....
Exaro News have been driving a lot of the current investigations. Multiple links to their various articles on this page.
http://www.exaronews.com/content/child-sex-abuse-f...
http://www.exaronews.com/content/child-sex-abuse-f...
dudleybloke said:
Police should have arrested the nonces and also those protecting them.
Illegal orders are still illegal.
It's not that simple of course.Illegal orders are still illegal.
If the senior investigating officer is told not to arrest without permission of a senior officer then that is a lawful order unless the SIO has evidence to suggested complicity then he has to follow orders. It is a disciplined service and officers have to follow orders. It is a discipline offence to fail to do so. A lawful order has been defined as an order that is not unlawful, meaning that the lower ranking officer has the burden of proof, along with all the other burdens.
In the case of the Smith and others file, the officers completed their investigation as far as they were able and submitted the file to the CPS. It was returned with 'recommendations', i.e. they will do such and such or else the file will go nowhere. The recommendations were complied with, the file submitted and the officers awaited the outcome. Or rather some did. Others were sent onto other roles.
Police could have arrested anyone of course, if they had sufficient cause, and from what I understand, there was ample. But if they are told not to in the course of the enquiry then that's it.
It has long been my suspicion that senior police officers, senior judges, MPs, high ranking military and the other bastions of the establishment are all but untouchable without the assistance of their peers (literally in some cases). There have been a few cases, in particular for homosexual acts with consenting adults, but beyond that it is very difficult to obtain a conviction.
Nowadays it is even more difficult for an individual officer to make a difference with the restrictions on discretion and such forced on the service.
I once arrested a prostitute for throwing a pint of beer at a police officer who'd been asked by a licensee to stand by during an eviction from premises. The officer said that her relief in avoiding the beer was shortlived as she ducked into the trajectory of the glass.
The woman was searched and it was down to me to document the contents of her handbag. Included was a notebook, hard backed. In it were names that I recognised, together with a star system for assessment, probably where Amazon got it from, and also comments as to 'preferences'.
After reading a couple of pages I showed it to my sergeant who sealed it in it's own numbered bag, with his and my signature over the seal. We then both went to the safe and placed it in there.
The sergeant said, in those pre lottery days: 'That's the nearest you and I will ever come to winning the pools.'
I was told to forget that I ever saw the book, and I have. However, I have little doubt that the great and the good do have some weird tastes and habits. I met some of them subsequently and it was very tempting to drop a keyword or two into the conversation.
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