Cyril Smith - the revellations

[BlackLabel]

dudleybloke said:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/westminster-child-ab...

It's no wonder he was buried in a 'unmarked grave at a undisclosed location' - his family obviously knew what was coming.

Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 8th March 01:36

[Vaud]

BlackLabel said:

It's no wonder he was buried in a 'unmarked grave at a undisclosed location' - his family obviously knew what was coming.

Or they feared a narrow group would vandalise it, evidence or no evidence.

[rohrl]

Vaud said:

BlackLabel said:

It's no wonder he was buried in a 'unmarked grave at a undisclosed location' - his family obviously knew what was coming.

Or they feared a narrow group would vandalise it, evidence or no evidence.

I wouldn't necessarily read too much into the fact that Brittan's grave is unmarked. It's a Jewish tradition that the headstone is not erected until a certain period of time has elapsed since the death. In some communities it's eight days, others thirty days and some wait twelve months.

[carinaman]

From the third page of this thread, unless I am having problems counting:

Derek Smith said:

As you say. This current DM expose is nothing more than Dacre special. He appears to demand a shock theme to run, the last time it was Harman and her supposedly being an apologist for paedophilia. He's turning this into an anti left thing now and the police and the BBC won't be long in appearing.

Derek Smith what do you think now?

I've bought the MoS today but yet to read it.

[dudleybloke]

I wonder if David Steele knew about the fat s pederasty?

[12TS]

dudleybloke said:

I wonder if David Steele knew about the fat s pederasty?

He claims not to.

There's been quite a bit on it in Private Eye, including a lengthy letter from him in which he sets out his case for not knowing. I used to think Steele wasn't bad for a politician, but he did himself no favours in the letter,

[Derek Smith]

On occasion I worked alongside a chap who collected images of children being abused. I had no idea of his tastes.

I would assume that many people on these forums have done the same. They don't publicise their offending.

However, in the 70s, I used to work alongside corrupt police officers. They were, at that time, all but untouchable. Everyone knew whom the majority were, it didn't take genius to work it out - I mean, I did.

I do wonder if it was just accepted. I can't believe that no one knew that there were offenders and just turned a blind eye.

[carinaman]

I chanced upon this:

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/kelvin-m...

[W124]

Bulic Forsythe. Bloody Hell.

[carinaman]

I hadn't seen that news. Tom Watson MP has tweeted the question asking if he was killed.

[W124]

I grew up in West Norwood/Tulse Hill. It was a bit nuts in the 80's and 90's. I know those places, I mean, I know that part of London like the back of my hand. There were quite a few kids in and out of 'care' at school. My friends for fk's sake. This is even darker than what has come before. Actually, it's spun me out a little. It's so bleak. I remember the murder. 1993. He was murdered no doubt, but by whom?

It sets your mind racing - How far up? How far back does it go? Back to the workhouses? Has it always been here. Is is still here?

Bloody hell.

After the election I think. Don't see how this can be held back now.

[wc98]

W124 said:

I grew up in West Norwood/Tulse Hill. It was a bit nuts in the 80's and 90's. I know those places, I mean, I know that part of London like the back of my hand. There were quite a few kids in and out of 'care' at school. My friends for fk's sake. This is even darker than what has come before. Actually, it's spun me out a little. It's so bleak. I remember the murder. 1993. He was murdered no doubt, but by whom?

It sets your mind racing - How far up? How far back does it go? Back to the workhouses? Has it always been here. Is is still here?

Bloody hell.

After the election I think. Don't see how this can be held back now.

slowly ,slowly,catchee monkey ,maybe ? http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/16/pol...
hopefully too many people know too much to keep it suppressed much longer. i have my doubts though.

[FiF]

This latest investigation into the Met and serial coverups / dropped investigations / dropped surveillance / pressure from on high is very serious news and bad for the Met.

Clearly it's going to be a Met investigation overseen by the IPCC. Nothing to come out until after election, but the establishment ought to be quaking.

[matchmaker]

Derek Smith said:

On occasion I worked alongside a chap who collected images of children being abused. I had no idea of his tastes.

I would assume that many people on these forums have done the same. They don't publicise their offending.

However, in the 70s, I used to work alongside corrupt police officers. They were, at that time, all but untouchable. Everyone knew whom the majority were, it didn't take genius to work it out - I mean, I did.

I do wonder if it was just accepted. I can't believe that no one knew that there were offenders and just turned a blind eye.

I worked with this guy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-ea...

BBC said:

A former clerk of the High Court and Court of Session has been put on a community payback order for downloading indecent images of young girls.

Donald Bruton, 60, from Edinburgh, previously admitted downloading the images between 24 July 2011 and 3 October 2013.

He was placed on a two year supervised community payback order and will have to register as a sex offender.

Bruton resigned from his court position soon after his arrest.

I certainly didn't guess that he was into that sort of stuff!

[W124]

wc98 said:

slowly ,slowly,catchee monkey ,maybe ? http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/16/pol...
hopefully too many people know too much to keep it suppressed much longer. i have my doubts though.

I wonder. I wonder if the Forsythe thing will come to the fore. Simply because of the political stripe of the bds likely to be caught up in it. It is spectacularly depressing to think it might. But I think it might.

[Thorodin]

You might say, if you were uncharitable, that the latest investigation by the Met, overseen and managed by the senior body, will take precedence and those giving evidence to it just might be rendered unavailable for interview elsewhere while the matter is being rigorously pursued by the police. Sounds familiar and about par for the course. It is a sorry affair when previously highly respected organisations (by most of us) are brought into disrepute by a gang of perverts and molesters. What the hell have we come to.

[carinaman]

Thorodin said:

It is a sorry affair when previously highly respected organisations (by most of us) are brought into disrepute by a gang of perverts and molesters. What the hell have we come to.

I saw that sentiment expressed on another Internet forum recently.

I posted the Constable's Oath in the Hillsborough thread.

And while the establishment were complicit in what's happened they deigned to preach about corruption and standards to the Rest of the World.

[Derek Smith]

Thorodin said:

You might say, if you were uncharitable, that the latest investigation by the Met, overseen and managed by the senior body, will take precedence and those giving evidence to it just might be rendered unavailable for interview elsewhere while the matter is being rigorously pursued by the police. Sounds familiar and about par for the course. It is a sorry affair when previously highly respected organisations (by most of us) are brought into disrepute by a gang of perverts and molesters. What the hell have we come to.

We have paedophiles in the churches, in the forces, in the government, in the civil service, the law and in the police. You have them sitting nest to you at work, and you have them as your bosses.

I find it difficult to believe how widespread and complex the sexual exploitation of children was. And let us admit it, is.

It is bewildering. I was in the police for 30 years and had no idea.

I knew that those at the top would give into pressure and that amongst MPs and those in power there were a number of those who were attracted to the prepubescent but the extent of it is bewildering.

It has opened my eyes.

We must now work to bring protection for children knowing that those who have authority and responsibility are as likely to be sexually corrupt as the person they are dealing with.

It really is quite shocking. Fundamentally so.

If you see a child who has been abused, or just read a file, you will feel anger and despair. These kids have their lives ruined. All the way through there are those who could have made a difference, have changed the circumstances, given the kid a chance. Yet these people didn't.

We can see in the churches the way the hierarchy defends its interests and ignores the needs of the victims.

The coalition has brought in a law which makes it a criminal offence for police officers to 'blow the whistle', the idea being that they can got to senior officers with the information knowing full well that they will do something about it. We will have laws which restrict the chances of the press exposing those in authority. We have sat back and allowed these changes.

I've always assumed it was those at the top exercising their power to indulge their perverted tastes but it is, it seems, a significant organisation.

In the 70s and early 80s there was endemic corruption in the Mets and City police. This was at the coal face. We now see that those at the top are just as corrupt, in fact more so.

[wc98]

Derek Smith said:

I've always assumed it was those at the top exercising their power to indulge their perverted tastes but it is, it seems, a significant organisation.

In the 70s and early 80s there was endemic corruption in the Mets and City police. This was at the coal face. We now see that those at the top are just as corrupt, in fact more so.

it would appear the adage "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is on the money derek . what hell can be meaningfully done about it though. when the very people tasked with managing a civilised society are up to their necks in depravity it suggests to me the entire establishment needs to be torn down and a far more accountable form of governance installed. the sad thing is i know it is unlikely to happen in my lifetime .

[julianm]

I have every sympathy with your experience here Derek & some organisation will surely have to take this on until it has been seen to be subject to an investigation as thorough as the Bloody Sunday enquiry. Justice Goddard seems to be prepared to see it through. Can you give me your best estimate of how many of those you knew to be involved were also masons?