Cyril Smith - the revellations

[12TS]

dudleybloke said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2999894/...

I don't normally read the Mail as I hate what they stand for. However in this case they seem to be on a crusade which hopefully will help expose the truth. In a sad way I hope it proves interesting to the general public and generates traffic for them so that they are incentivised to keep going.

That article doesn't look good for Steele nor the Libs.

[carinaman]

Thanks for the heads up dudleybloke. I'd not seen that.

Slightly off thread here, but relevant as many think those that are supposed to be prosecuting child abusers are busy pushing their own agendas:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2995306/Mi...

That's the same MP that was on the Today programme about a fortnight ago mentioning he'd had a letter from Stoke Mandeville in 2012 that assured him that Savile didn't have access to clinical areas where as the official report that subsequently came out said he did, and there was a discussion about the public sector tendency to close ranks and cover up.

Rob Wilson MP seemed also to have been leaned on by Lord Paten when he was giving the BBC the hard time over Savile with Paten reportedly hinting of possible legal repercussions just as Sara Thornton may have done in her dealings with Rob Wilson.

Wasn't it reported that one of Theresa May's child abuse inquiry panel members said she felt bullied by Ben Emmerson QC?

Rob Wilson MP for Reading East seems to be doing more to address paedophilia and the cover ups by those in the establishment than his constituency neighbour Theresa May, Home Secretary.

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 18th March 21:09

[drfrank]

When this story broke earlier in the week I was amazed that the all the dailies didn't have it as headline.
What can be taken from this ? Why would it be buried on page 5 of The Times ?

[smegmore]

Derek Smith said:

As someone pointed out, the investigation against Smith was at a politically difficult time. One can, perhaps, see the reasoning behind not prosecuting a person who could bring massive scandal on MPs of all parties at what was a time of war.

Derek.

I've re-read your post and please excuse the snip and perhaps I've taken your post out of context, but how were Cyril Smiths alleged crimes committed during a time of war?

Thanks.

[Art0ir]

I just hope this isn't white washed like the Dutroux case in Belgium.

[smegmore]

Art0ir said:

I just hope this isn't white washed like the Dutroux case in Belgium.

As an aside to this, I worked in the French speaking area of Belgium for a while in the mid 90s and the tales of horrible stuff involving children were rife among the locals I worked with especially in the rural areas around Liege. I've no means of verifying if true of course but some of the things that were said to me were truly awful.

[wc98]

dudleybloke said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2999894/...

yep,thanks for the heads up. it is good to be getting names in the public domain , so concerned members of the public know where to go if the establishment does not get it,s house in order.

[carinaman]

dudleybloke said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2999894/...

4th from last paragraph.

Some have said the 5 year fixed terms means we've had a Zombie parliament. Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill was voted on in the Commons and passed back to the HoL despite there being several detractors and criticisms. What's the point of a new law while existing laws are not being used or police officers are still being threatened with the Official Secrets Act if they tell the truth about sexual crimes against children?

[Derek Smith]

smegmore said:

Derek.

I've re-read your post and please excuse the snip and perhaps I've taken your post out of context, but how were Cyril Smiths alleged crimes committed during a time of war?

Thanks.

It depends on your definition of war I suppose but at a time of bombs going off in the UK, funded by foreign countries, when MPs and the PM are attacked, and killed, over a long period of time, then it is a war. One might call it a civil war, but given that many of the protagonists were not UK born then I don't see why we need the modifier of civil.

The government was attacked. In essence it was a failure and Thatcher's response turned it into a victory to an extent, but that doesn't alter the fact that they tried to blow up the government. They killed members of the royal family as well.

It was a war to my view.

[greygoose]

smegmore said:

Art0ir said:

I just hope this isn't white washed like the Dutroux case in Belgium.

As an aside to this, I worked in the French speaking area of Belgium for a while in the mid 90s and the tales of horrible stuff involving children were rife among the locals I worked with especially in the rural areas around Liege. I've no means of verifying if true of course but some of the things that were said to me were truly awful.

I suspect we are going to face similar revelations ourselves. Belgium is a small country so the numbers of paedophiles in the UK will be far higher.

[dudleybloke]

This whole CSA debacle will act as a litmus test for the decency of our public servants.

To put it in words the government will understand......

Your either with the nonces or against them.
No more sitting on the fence. No excuses. Let the world know your position on this vile activity by your actions.

[wc98]

Derek Smith said:

They killed members of the royal family as well.

It was a war to my view.

given subsequent revelations i would not get too upset about that derek.

[carinaman]

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4961/police-aban...

We need to start asking our MPs and Theresa May why that investigation into Cyril Smith was dropped in 2013.

It was dropped in 2013 when there was a ConDem coalition in power. Thatcher was warned about Cyril Smith and Cyril Smith was a Liberal Democrat.

[smegmore]

wc98 said:

Derek Smith said:

They killed members of the royal family as well.

It was a war to my view.

given subsequent revelations i would not get too upset about that derek.

Would you care to expand on that?

Genuinely interested.

[carinaman]

A former police officer says Exaro may be a route for former police officers:

https://retiredandangry.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/i...

[wc98]

smegmore said:

Would you care to expand on that?

Genuinely interested.

make of this what you will ,who knows ,maybe i need a new tinfoil hat. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/20885

[smegmore]

Derek Smith said:

smegmore said:

Derek.

I've re-read your post and please excuse the snip and perhaps I've taken your post out of context, but how were Cyril Smiths alleged crimes committed during a time of war?

Thanks.

It depends on your definition of war I suppose but at a time of bombs going off in the UK, funded by foreign countries, when MPs and the PM are attacked, and killed, over a long period of time, then it is a war. One might call it a civil war, but given that many of the protagonists were not UK born then I don't see why we need the modifier of civil.

The government was attacked. In essence it was a failure and Thatcher's response turned it into a victory to an extent, but that doesn't alter the fact that they tried to blow up the government. They killed members of the royal family as well.

It was a war to my view.

I agree on the terrorism aspect but it wasn't a war as defined by international law, was it?

Although the IRA at the time (as I recall) were classed as a proscribed terrorist organisation, if there had been an actual declaration of war by either side, I think that it would have been concluded very quickly. The IRA were by definition an undercover organisation which never intended to go toe to toe with the British army, but that's for a different thread.

[James P]

carinaman said:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4961/police-aban...

We need to start asking our MPs and Theresa May why that investigation into Cyril Smith was dropped in 2013.

It was dropped in 2013 when there was a ConDem coalition in power. Thatcher was warned about Cyril Smith and Cyril Smith was a Liberal Democrat.

Private Eye brought it up in 1999, previous administrations need to take a look at themselves too.

[Derek Smith]

smegmore said:

I agree on the terrorism aspect but it wasn't a war as defined by international law, was it?

Although the IRA at the time (as I recall) were classed as a proscribed terrorist organisation, if there had been an actual declaration of war by either side, I think that it would have been concluded very quickly. The IRA were by definition an undercover organisation which never intended to go toe to toe with the British army, but that's for a different thread.

I take your point about the international definition and I don't want to go all Humpty Dumpty but:

I worked with ex army and, as I am tee-total, I was often the designated driver. Some of the stories I heard when my passenger was not quite out of it, but voluable, was that they felt the PIRA was of the opinion it was war, so they felt happy defining it as such.

I once corrected an ex-officer when he used the word and I was treated to a long question along the lines of examples of where war had been declared and the situation was exactly the same as soldiers experienced in NI.

One told a story and mentioned a town in Eire. I asked him if he had crossed the border. He said: What border?

I will bow to the blokes who were out there rather than lexicographers. I might listen to Suzi Dent. A bit.

[dudleybloke]

wc98 said:

make of this what you will ,who knows ,maybe i need a new tinfoil hat. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/20885

No tinfoil needed.
Also prominent IRA members were connected to the place.

I don't like Ted Heath either.