Cyril Smith - the revellations

[smegmore]

Derek Smith said:

smegmore said:

I agree on the terrorism aspect but it wasn't a war as defined by international law, was it?

Although the IRA at the time (as I recall) were classed as a proscribed terrorist organisation, if there had been an actual declaration of war by either side, I think that it would have been concluded very quickly. The IRA were by definition an undercover organisation which never intended to go toe to toe with the British army, but that's for a different thread.

I take your point about the international definition and I don't want to go all Humpty Dumpty but:

I worked with ex army and, as I am tee-total, I was often the designated driver. Some of the stories I heard when my passenger was not quite out of it, but voluable, was that they felt the PIRA was of the opinion it was war, so they felt happy defining it as such.

I once corrected an ex-officer when he used the word and I was treated to a long question along the lines of examples of where war had been declared and the situation was exactly the same as soldiers experienced in NI.

One told a story and mentioned a town in Eire. I asked him if he had crossed the border. He said: What border?

I will bow to the blokes who were out there rather than lexicographers. I might listen to Suzi Dent. A bit.

Of course to them it was war.

But it was a war but not as we would define it ie by combatants in uniform as we, as civilised people would define it, but as a war between the troops of a government of the state and a rogue civilian armed force who were in the conflict not for political reasons but to gain financial control over drug dealing and protection rackets.

[anonymous-user]

smegmore said:

Of course to them it was war.

But it was a war but not as we would define it ie by combatants in uniform as we, as civilised people would define it, but as a war between the troops of a government of the state and a rogue civilian armed force who were in the conflict not for political reasons but to gain financial control over drug dealing and protection rackets.

Are thy all facts or deductions?

[dudleybloke]

This business address is very interesting..

11-15 Acre House
William Road
London
United Kingdom
NW1 3ER

Seems to have a lot of dodgy names connected to it.

[FiF]

carinaman said:

A former police officer says Exaro may be a route for former police officers:

https://retiredandangry.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/i...

Thanks for promoting that link.

[Art0ir]

dudleybloke said:

No tinfoil needed.
Also prominent IRA members were connected to the place.

I don't like Ted Heath either.

Any info on that? I thought it was Tara (think the ISIS of protestant unionism) the had the connection at Kincora?

[dudleybloke]

Art0ir said:

Any info on that? I thought it was Tara (think the ISIS of protestant unionism) the had the connection at Kincora?

Your right. Too many groups with too many initials for me to keep track of.
Was simpler when it was only the judean peoples front.

Its elm house that had the IRA names.

[Thorodin]

On the subject of it being a war, of course it was. But it was only declared as such by one side. The British gov. knew that to declare the trouble as a war would entail certain activities undertaken by them to have altered the terms under which the terrorists could treated under the law. International condemnation would have resulted and the terrorists would have achieved three quartets of their objectives, not to mention the damage to UK/USA/Irish relations (although the fact that much of the IRA funding came from USA seemed to not be a factor that aroused too much anger).
The fact that the UK gov. refused to bend to that development was a major irritant to the IRA and may possibly have led to the start of mainland activity.

Edited by Thorodin on Thursday 19th March 11:14

[dudleybloke]

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/cyril-smith...

[dudleybloke]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...

[carinaman]

dudleybloke said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...

I'm not sure I'd place too much store in that. Go to a PCC with anything difficult, or any of the panel that's supposed to hold them to account they can come out with stuff like 'PCCs can't get involved in operational policing.' and the panel say 'It's our job to hold the PCC to the Crime Plan and we can't get involved in anything other than that.'

Adam Simmonds is a Tory. Labour are saying they'll scrap PCCs and the expensive ballots for them.

Having briefly looked at his wikipedia entry and other national news today I'd place him in or near the establishment.

It could be an opportunity to get himself and his name out there.

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 19th March 20:08

[carinaman]

dudleybloke said:

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/cyril-smith...

Thanks dudleybloke, I'd not heard of that.

It reminded me of this case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-2628694...

Reading the bottom of the article about former police officer Don Mackintosh:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-cop-paedop...

I think a victim of former police officer Danny Bryant was visited by an Inspector and advised that pursuing his grievance about being sexually molested as a minor would be traumatic for him.

The stuff at the bottom of that Mirror article about Don Mackintosh is stomach churning. Ah well, I am sure they have their faith to fall back on.

[carinaman]

Derek Smith said:

As someone pointed out, the investigation against Smith was at a politically difficult time. One can, perhaps, see the reasoning behind not prosecuting a person who could bring massive scandal on MPs of all parties at what was a time of war.

Eighth paragraph:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3002157/Po...

It says Cyril Smith was a useful bulwark against the hard left.

It also mentions links to paedophile police officer Don Mackintosh.

So it could have been about keeping a paedophile police officer secret and keeping that officer's sexual activities with children away from the police brand.

That would seem a valid opinion given the moves by Devon & Cornwall police to keep paedophile police officer Danny Bryant secret. And the fact that they seem to have done little to deal with paedophile William Goad for many years.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 20th March 04:38

[Foppo]

He was a bulwark against the hard left Mr Smith? I have never heard such a feeble excuse not to arrest him for child abuse.As they say I think I get my coat.

[dudleybloke]

Foppo said:

He was a bulwark against the hard left Mr Smith? I have never heard such a feeble excuse not to arrest him for child abuse.As they say I think I get my coat.

Its OK to be a nonce if your their nonce.

[carinaman]

When the MoS did the excerpts from Simon Danczuk's book, something that Derek Smith was contacted about by a Researcher, there was mention of Cyril Smith being involved in Freemasonry.

I wonder if former police officer and paedophile Don Mackintosh was a Freemason.

It's been reported that there's a Freemasonry Lodge at the Police Federation HQ at Leatherhead.

Cold War Commies?

Or just self serving Freemasons?

Reds under the bed, or establishment paedophiles in bed with kids?

On The Square and in bed with little boys?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 20th March 15:18

[TTwiggy]

carinaman said:

When the MoS did the excerpts from Simon Danczuk's book, something that Derek Smith was contacted about by a Researcher, there was mention of Cyril Smith being involved in Freemasonry.

I wonder if former police officer and paedophile Don Mackintosh was a Freemason.

It's been reported that there's a Freemasonry Lodge at the Police Federation HQ at Leatherhead.

Cold War Commies?

Or just self serving Freemasons?

Reds under the bed, or establishment paedophiles in bed with kids?

Be careful about having a pop at the funny handshake brigade on PH. There's a fair few Widow's Sons on here, and they don't have much of a sense of humour

[carinaman]

TTwiggy said:

Be careful about having a pop at the funny handshake brigade on PH. There's a fair few Widow's Sons on here, and they don't have much of a sense of humour

Thank you for the Heads Up. They've crossed my path in real life. They don't seem to want to come out to play anymore. I'll probably be asking them if they want to come out to play again before the summer.

[FiF]

Now ex CC Lancs and Dep Commisioner Met speaks out.


Cyril Smith cover-up went right to the top

[Martin4x4]

The possible masonic connection is interesting.

There is an apparent masonic connection between former chief constable David Westwood and accused pedo and former Police authority chairman Colin Inglis. This is also the same Colin Inglis who ordered the destruction of police intelligence on sex criminals that allowed Ian Huntley commit the Soham murders.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3866053.stm

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Charities-cash-gene...

http://news.sky.com/story/326725/cops-at-dinner-of...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/21/ukcrime....


There are definitely a moves a foot to 'clean shop' while keeping the full extent of the things quiet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-318769...

http://jjarichardson.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/humber...

Edited by Martin4x4 on Saturday 21st March 09:55

[Martin4x4]

Given the amount of info concerning these matter that is actually in the public domain I have to think the Bichard Inquiry was actually white washing exercise and not a serious effort. We need to know if Bichard is a mason.