Cyril Smith - the revellations
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Derek Smith said:
Did anyone see me on ITN News at 10?
They say TV adds 10 lbs, but my kids reckon I looked slimmer. I'm on a diet.
Now your just getting nutty.... who would watch ITV News They say TV adds 10 lbs, but my kids reckon I looked slimmer. I'm on a diet.
However, I did see / hear your interview on NorthWest News, in the words of my US colleagues ' nice job '.
Can't possibly comment on your weight after just seeing a picture
V8 Fettler said:
From the Flail: ">He was well in with the free-masons, too<"
Surprising that not one of the alleged victims of the various alleged paedophiles fought back with a weapon, perhaps a measure of the control exerted.
More comparisons with the William Goad case? A police officer said to a victim 'I know Billy Goad popped your cherry' and when the police raided his house they found masonic material:Surprising that not one of the alleged victims of the various alleged paedophiles fought back with a weapon, perhaps a measure of the control exerted.
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Did-corrupt-Plymou...
Supposedly the officer not involved with the case could have been visiting Goad's house to collect for some golf tournament, rather than tip him off.
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I wrote that I wasn't much into conspiracy theories, but am beginning to change my mind. How is it that these evil creeps so often manage to get together? You'd think that you would never admit to or talk about some of the things these people are into and yet they seem to manage to find each other, organise and even to get others to protect them.
I wrote that I wasn't much into conspiracy theories, but am beginning to change my mind. How is it that these evil creeps so often manage to get together? You'd think that you would never admit to or talk about some of the things these people are into and yet they seem to manage to find each other, organise and even to get others to protect them.
carinaman said:
Don't ITV/ITN have an iplayer equivalent with this on?
Could be a screen test for PH The Movie?
News programs aren't usually available online but I did find this: http://shar.es/TvmP5Could be a screen test for PH The Movie?
muffinmenac said:
News programs aren't usually available online but I did find this: http://shar.es/TvmP5
Thank you muffinmenace! The advice he's given me has more credence now.
It started to type it up, but then thought a link may be more useful:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608177/Wa...
It's about whether the diabetic with alcohol issues that ran Elm Guest House in Barnes committed suicide or was bumped off due to what she knew and her stash of photos. It mentions the raid initiated by two undercover officers earlier than planned when only a few people were there rather than a house full.
It alludes to another Politician of high office possibly being a regular there, but the 'victim' wouldn't make a complaint and without one the police couldn't move it forward.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608177/Wa...
It's about whether the diabetic with alcohol issues that ran Elm Guest House in Barnes committed suicide or was bumped off due to what she knew and her stash of photos. It mentions the raid initiated by two undercover officers earlier than planned when only a few people were there rather than a house full.
It alludes to another Politician of high office possibly being a regular there, but the 'victim' wouldn't make a complaint and without one the police couldn't move it forward.
Edited by carinaman on Sunday 20th April 20:56
That link relates to an investigation (or conspiracy theory?) highlighted in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t34ldp68lhk
Don't know what to make of it - is it all hyperbole and highly stoked intrigue or is there something in it? If so it would be shocking, with the names listed as visitors and the Knighted 'pop star' being one. Plus the references to two possible killings.
The video claims to show the documents compiled and suggests pausing to read them but many (if mot all) are indecipherable on my iPad Mini.
Here is the blurb from the video page
PLEASE READ -NOW ENHANCED AND READABLE. Here are all the photographed documents/evidence/original notes released to the internet on 9 or 10 jan 2013 by Mary Moss,after police seized her boxes of evidence relating to the Elm Guest House scandal. Most of the notes were made by NAYPIC adviser Chris Fay,following Carol Kasirs approach to NAYPIC following the police raid in jun 1982,when Carol realised she had been set up,and the true and very frightening extent of what was was going on there. The main period covered is 1981-1982 and 1989-1990, when Carol "died"(was murdered).
The allegations are shocking and involve a massive international elite paedophile ring.People from MI5,police,all political parties,celebrities,and members of the royal household,as well as doctors,judges etc.The allegations against $%£^ *$%^^@£ are very very shocking.
You may wish to pause on each document to read it in full,we have only highlighted a few things of note.
The owner of the now closed childrens care home,Grafton lodge was arrested in Feb 2013,but in april the police chief leading the investigation(operation fernbridge) stood aside. It is not clear who is now leading it,if anyone,or if the investigation has been snuffed out.It is also interesting to note that during 1989 -1990 the mainstream newspapers were awash with the scandal,but around mid august,the news items suddenly stopped.Why was that??Was a D-Notice put in place??It took another 22 years and the death of Jimmy Savile for this enormous scandal to resurface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t34ldp68lhk
Don't know what to make of it - is it all hyperbole and highly stoked intrigue or is there something in it? If so it would be shocking, with the names listed as visitors and the Knighted 'pop star' being one. Plus the references to two possible killings.
The video claims to show the documents compiled and suggests pausing to read them but many (if mot all) are indecipherable on my iPad Mini.
Here is the blurb from the video page
PLEASE READ -NOW ENHANCED AND READABLE. Here are all the photographed documents/evidence/original notes released to the internet on 9 or 10 jan 2013 by Mary Moss,after police seized her boxes of evidence relating to the Elm Guest House scandal. Most of the notes were made by NAYPIC adviser Chris Fay,following Carol Kasirs approach to NAYPIC following the police raid in jun 1982,when Carol realised she had been set up,and the true and very frightening extent of what was was going on there. The main period covered is 1981-1982 and 1989-1990, when Carol "died"(was murdered).
The allegations are shocking and involve a massive international elite paedophile ring.People from MI5,police,all political parties,celebrities,and members of the royal household,as well as doctors,judges etc.The allegations against $%£^ *$%^^@£ are very very shocking.
You may wish to pause on each document to read it in full,we have only highlighted a few things of note.
The owner of the now closed childrens care home,Grafton lodge was arrested in Feb 2013,but in april the police chief leading the investigation(operation fernbridge) stood aside. It is not clear who is now leading it,if anyone,or if the investigation has been snuffed out.It is also interesting to note that during 1989 -1990 the mainstream newspapers were awash with the scandal,but around mid august,the news items suddenly stopped.Why was that??Was a D-Notice put in place??It took another 22 years and the death of Jimmy Savile for this enormous scandal to resurface.
Edited by FwdConvert on Sunday 20th April 21:35
carinaman said:
It started to type it up, but then thought a link may be more useful:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608177/Wa...
It's about whether the diabetic with alcohol issues that ran Elm Guest House in Barnes committed suicide or was bumped off due to what she knew and her stash of photos. It mentions the raid initiated by two undercover officers earlier than planned when only a few people were there rather than a house full.
It alludes to another Politician of high office possibly being a regular there, but the 'victim' wouldn't make a complaint and without one the police couldn't move it forward.
Thanks for that. I'm grateful.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608177/Wa...
It's about whether the diabetic with alcohol issues that ran Elm Guest House in Barnes committed suicide or was bumped off due to what she knew and her stash of photos. It mentions the raid initiated by two undercover officers earlier than planned when only a few people were there rather than a house full.
It alludes to another Politician of high office possibly being a regular there, but the 'victim' wouldn't make a complaint and without one the police couldn't move it forward.
I knew nothing about the Elm Guest House in the 80s beyond just a bit of gossip. I did a bit of checking up on Smith and the place was mentioned once or twice but the rumours were vague. The name of the woman was also mentioned but I assumed she was Asian, so that shows how far off I was.
With regards the DM report, it is full of speculation and short on facts.
One thing which came up in a conversation with an ex-colleague who saw my, by now famous, appearance on ITN and decided to have a word, was a (alledged) brothel in Fleet Street, quite near to the Old Bank of England. Prot officers used to park up in Bell Yard and Fetter Lane. Checks on their index numbers used to come back as blocked. I was told by a sergeant, in the Lodge, that I should keep away as 'important people' used to go there. When I asked how important I was told that they didn't get much higher. But no names. Prot officers tends to indicate high up MPs and, being so near to the Courts of Justice . . . but then that would be speculation as well. I'm certain that those in such responsible positions would not visit brothels. I remember being told that in 1963.
So the idea of a conspiracy of the big blokes is not too far fetched.
I used to work in the City of London Police when a good, or bad, percentage of CID and rankers were corrupt, taking a regular bribe, or bung. Even so the degree of cover-up with Smith comes as a surprise.
I don't think this latest direction is particularly helpful.
By the way, I saw two suspicious heavies in a parked car in Carter Lane. There used to be a Lodge there (Dean's Court?) and when I approached them they put a log book on the dashboard. I did a PNC check, got the 'blocked' and moved off. Later I was told it was diplomatic duties. Later I got a pull from an inspector about what I was doing in Carter Lane. It was my beat. I always wondered who had turned up for their Lodge meeting but never knew. The car was a Granada, well down from the vehicles that used to park near the brothel.
Derek Smith said:
Thanks for that. I'm grateful.
Thank you. You and Breadvan72 helped so much in the summer. It's much appreciated. I told you that I had a bacon sandwich and cup of tea in the canteen in Wood St.? And the blonde with the shoulder holster? She looked OK from behind. I didn't see the front. The sandwich was OK too.
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