Cyril Smith - the revellations
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apparently Grevs in the Guinness book of records as the fastest case of dementia ever! Febuary he's making speeches in the House of Lords and writing a letter asking to stay on in the same place, April he's got no idea what the f
k is going on!!! Is Alison related to that other well part time dementia suffering Ernest ?.??
k is going on!!! Is Alison related to that other well part time dementia suffering Ernest ?.??Edited by number 46 on Thursday 23 April 23:05
They named a kindergarten after him in israel.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/89972/lord-janne...
Wonder if they will change the name back now.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/89972/lord-janne...
Wonder if they will change the name back now.
It's good to see young Tony again, this time on the BBC news website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershir...
dudleybloke said:
Seems Jannonce isn't as poorly as he's making out.
https://twitter.com/rockpool8/status/5897120921288...
He was until very recently a director of this company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02610553/WEST-HE...
And in March 2012 – 3 years after his alleged dementia diagnosis he was off to Gibraltar to receive the Freedom of the City.
And here are 2 recent cases where demented nonces have faced justice.
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Man-guilty-abu...
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11334114.Hos...
If they can then why not Grenville Janner.
Simple.... the powers that be have decided to cover it up.https://twitter.com/rockpool8/status/5897120921288...
He was until very recently a director of this company.
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02610553/WEST-HE...
And in March 2012 – 3 years after his alleged dementia diagnosis he was off to Gibraltar to receive the Freedom of the City.
And here are 2 recent cases where demented nonces have faced justice.
http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Man-guilty-abu...
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11334114.Hos...
If they can then why not Grenville Janner.
then they say "The allegations against Lord Janner have not been tested in court and remain unproven" which of course means that we cant call him a pedophile even though the govt claims that they have enough evidence to prove that he is one.
And if he is too far gone to face trail then how can he sign over his assets http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3051384/Ja...
Edited by babatunde on Friday 2 4th April 07:18
Edited by babatunde on Friday 24th April 07:22
Is anyone surprised?
If so, would they like to buy Tower Bridge from me?
One bit of good advice from my father was that if you can't change it, get used to it or find a work around. A most sensible point of view in most cases, but this situation is a leap too far. As with Smith and his like, the establishment is showing, it seems, that we can be treated with contempt.
The first thought that went through my mind was to wonder what information he had on those with power and authority.
A lord for heaven's sake. What a joke. People like him have authority over us and there's nothing we can do. At least some rubbish MPs will be voted out in a couple of weeks but if they are in the in crowd, presumably with information that could hurt one of the parties, they will, after being rejected by the electorate, be made lords to continue their milking of the system.
If so, would they like to buy Tower Bridge from me?
One bit of good advice from my father was that if you can't change it, get used to it or find a work around. A most sensible point of view in most cases, but this situation is a leap too far. As with Smith and his like, the establishment is showing, it seems, that we can be treated with contempt.
The first thought that went through my mind was to wonder what information he had on those with power and authority.
A lord for heaven's sake. What a joke. People like him have authority over us and there's nothing we can do. At least some rubbish MPs will be voted out in a couple of weeks but if they are in the in crowd, presumably with information that could hurt one of the parties, they will, after being rejected by the electorate, be made lords to continue their milking of the system.
Derek Smith said:
Is anyone surprised?
Quite.Back to Dudleybolokes link, it reminds me, have we done the odd decision = Common Purpose test on this?
Here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/alison_saun...
Is she or isn't she?....
rover 623gsi said:
the whole thing stinks - there is a cover-up of epic proportions going on right under our noses. And they're going to get away with it.
It isn't really a cover-up, is it. We can all see it but 'they' just refuse to do anything about it. We are being treated with contempt.A woman who was at a friend's dinner party was writing a book on a particular style of artist and wanted to examine a painting that someone posh had put against death duties. Part of the deal, which was very remunerative for the son, was to make the painting available for examination to certain people. I don't know the details apart from the fact that this woman had the necessary authority.
For some time, over a year, she was given the run-around. She went to someone important to get their assistance and she was told not to bother as, no doubt at all, the painting had been sold to some Russian or American. There might be a high quality copy in its place but then again most people didn't even bother with that. She wanted to report it but the chap said that no one cares. He'd tried and was stone-walled.
He said (something like) even if someone does have a copy made and it is proved to be false, they'd just say that their father/etc must have been conned years ago.
Those with the power to do something might also have been approached by oligarchs about their inheritance, and those who do care have no power to alter anything.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/exclusive-first-...
'Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, ...
'Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, ...
carinaman said:
Just heard on Radio 4's Today:
1. The Mail is running with details of sexual abuse by Janner being removed from the social services record of a lad.
2. The Sun is saying Alison Saunders started her legal career at chambers where Lord Janner was a QC.
1. The Mail is running with details of sexual abuse by Janner being removed from the social services record of a lad.
2. The Sun is saying Alison Saunders started her legal career at chambers where Lord Janner was a QC.
Why am I not surprised?
An interesting article which is loaded with ambiguity and phrases which could mean different things to different people. For instance, the passage by the CPS spokesperson:
"Yes. However, every single one of those points is not necessarily unanimous or addressed by all of them" (the four eminent doctors, presumably). Given the department's legal training and skill with verbal manipulation that could also be taken to mean 'none of those points are necessarily unanimous or addressed by all of them'.
They don't even care if their motives and apparent disregard for the laws they are supposed to be in awe of is debased. Talk about brazen.
"Yes. However, every single one of those points is not necessarily unanimous or addressed by all of them" (the four eminent doctors, presumably). Given the department's legal training and skill with verbal manipulation that could also be taken to mean 'none of those points are necessarily unanimous or addressed by all of them'.
They don't even care if their motives and apparent disregard for the laws they are supposed to be in awe of is debased. Talk about brazen.
I doubt I'll buy it, as I bought the MoS about 5 weeks ago for the Cyril Smith stuff and didn't read anything else in the paper, but on Radio 4's Broadcasting House reviewing the papers they said that the Observer had an article on establishment links and Lord Janner and I assume this ruling.
It is difficult not to take the extreme conspiracy view in all this. Every day brings hints of events that have unexplained roots.
For instance: to obtain sufficient evidence to warrant the belief that a conviction was at least possible, the investigation must have been deep and wide ranging. The activities of Janner and others did not take place in a vacuum; there must have been procurement, facilitation and subsequent dedicated cover-up by several individuals. These names will have been discovered - and not released. Are these unknowns behind the refusal to proceed?
With the latest disgraceful behaviour of upper echelons taken together with the Middle East takeover of property assets in the capital, this country has gone to the dogs. The rage subsides into depression, probably as a result of the desensitising effect of over-exposure combined with increasing age.
I can't wait for the possibility of the onset of dementia and the release from the responsibility to fume.
For instance: to obtain sufficient evidence to warrant the belief that a conviction was at least possible, the investigation must have been deep and wide ranging. The activities of Janner and others did not take place in a vacuum; there must have been procurement, facilitation and subsequent dedicated cover-up by several individuals. These names will have been discovered - and not released. Are these unknowns behind the refusal to proceed?
With the latest disgraceful behaviour of upper echelons taken together with the Middle East takeover of property assets in the capital, this country has gone to the dogs. The rage subsides into depression, probably as a result of the desensitising effect of over-exposure combined with increasing age.
I can't wait for the possibility of the onset of dementia and the release from the responsibility to fume.
Everything is all right.
Lewis Hill, 90, given a 2-year suspended sentence for historical offences against children, and a sufferer from dementia and diabetes, was found fit to be tried, convicted and, on appeal against sentence, had it increased to 5 years.
I mean, with such a clear-cut case, surely no one could object to Janner being tried? I mean, there'd have to be some sort of conspiracy to block it, wouldn't there.
His defence brief argued that Hill '. . . was nothing other than a benefit to society, working as a civil servant . . .'. The fantasy world of defence teams.
What is more remarkable is that Hill seems to be actually ill, being deaf and having a catheter.
Info. from yesterday's Times.
One of the arguments for not prosecuting Janner was that he 'no longer posed any threat'. Surely that is used to suggest no custodial punishment. Hill poses no threat, being really ill and some years older but gets 5 years.
One law for us, no law for them it appears.
Not only that, you can recover from dementia. One bloke, I won't name him to spare his blushes, was diagnosed with dementia in 1991, and then went on to workd as a business consultant, including advising mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse from its early days until prior to its flotation, later appointed chairman of the executive committee of a US-based multinational petrol credit-card company, Harpur-Gelco and acted as a consultant to Seed International Ltd.
Sort of gives you a warm feeling inside as the bloke must have felt that his life had ended nearly 24 years ago, and here his is, still going strongish.
As i say, I'll keep the identity of this man a secret as, you never know, he might want to take out yet another high paying job and knowing that he was all but out of it in 1991 and with a short time to think, he might not get any extra money, and the poor bloke probably needs it.
Lewis Hill, 90, given a 2-year suspended sentence for historical offences against children, and a sufferer from dementia and diabetes, was found fit to be tried, convicted and, on appeal against sentence, had it increased to 5 years.
I mean, with such a clear-cut case, surely no one could object to Janner being tried? I mean, there'd have to be some sort of conspiracy to block it, wouldn't there.
His defence brief argued that Hill '. . . was nothing other than a benefit to society, working as a civil servant . . .'. The fantasy world of defence teams.
What is more remarkable is that Hill seems to be actually ill, being deaf and having a catheter.
Info. from yesterday's Times.
One of the arguments for not prosecuting Janner was that he 'no longer posed any threat'. Surely that is used to suggest no custodial punishment. Hill poses no threat, being really ill and some years older but gets 5 years.
One law for us, no law for them it appears.
Not only that, you can recover from dementia. One bloke, I won't name him to spare his blushes, was diagnosed with dementia in 1991, and then went on to workd as a business consultant, including advising mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse from its early days until prior to its flotation, later appointed chairman of the executive committee of a US-based multinational petrol credit-card company, Harpur-Gelco and acted as a consultant to Seed International Ltd.
Sort of gives you a warm feeling inside as the bloke must have felt that his life had ended nearly 24 years ago, and here his is, still going strongish.
As i say, I'll keep the identity of this man a secret as, you never know, he might want to take out yet another high paying job and knowing that he was all but out of it in 1991 and with a short time to think, he might not get any extra money, and the poor bloke probably needs it.
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