Cyril Smith - the revellations
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Derek Smith said:
Everything is all right.
Lewis Hill, 90, given a 2-year suspended sentence for historical offences against children, and a sufferer from dementia and diabetes, was found fit to be tried, convicted and, on appeal against sentence, had it increased to 5 years.
I mean, with such a clear-cut case, surely no one could object to Janner being tried? I mean, there'd have to be some sort of conspiracy to block it, wouldn't there.
His defence brief argued that Hill '. . . was nothing other than a benefit to society, working as a civil servant . . .'. The fantasy world of defence teams.
What is more remarkable is that Hill seems to be actually ill, being deaf and having a catheter.
Info. from yesterday's Times.
One of the arguments for not prosecuting Janner was that he 'no longer posed any threat'. Surely that is used to suggest no custodial punishment. Hill poses no threat, being really ill and some years older but gets 5 years.
One law for us, no law for them it appears.
Not only that, you can recover from dementia. One bloke, I won't name him to spare his blushes, was diagnosed with dementia in 1991, and then went on to workd as a business consultant, including advising mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse from its early days until prior to its flotation, later appointed chairman of the executive committee of a US-based multinational petrol credit-card company, Harpur-Gelco and acted as a consultant to Seed International Ltd.
Sort of gives you a warm feeling inside as the bloke must have felt that his life had ended nearly 24 years ago, and here his is, still going strongish.
As i say, I'll keep the identity of this man a secret as, you never know, he might want to take out yet another high paying job and knowing that he was all but out of it in 1991 and with a short time to think, he might not get any extra money, and the poor bloke probably needs it.
You couldn't possibly be referring to Ernest Saunders perchance? A walking medical miracle.Lewis Hill, 90, given a 2-year suspended sentence for historical offences against children, and a sufferer from dementia and diabetes, was found fit to be tried, convicted and, on appeal against sentence, had it increased to 5 years.
I mean, with such a clear-cut case, surely no one could object to Janner being tried? I mean, there'd have to be some sort of conspiracy to block it, wouldn't there.
His defence brief argued that Hill '. . . was nothing other than a benefit to society, working as a civil servant . . .'. The fantasy world of defence teams.
What is more remarkable is that Hill seems to be actually ill, being deaf and having a catheter.
Info. from yesterday's Times.
One of the arguments for not prosecuting Janner was that he 'no longer posed any threat'. Surely that is used to suggest no custodial punishment. Hill poses no threat, being really ill and some years older but gets 5 years.
One law for us, no law for them it appears.
Not only that, you can recover from dementia. One bloke, I won't name him to spare his blushes, was diagnosed with dementia in 1991, and then went on to workd as a business consultant, including advising mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse from its early days until prior to its flotation, later appointed chairman of the executive committee of a US-based multinational petrol credit-card company, Harpur-Gelco and acted as a consultant to Seed International Ltd.
Sort of gives you a warm feeling inside as the bloke must have felt that his life had ended nearly 24 years ago, and here his is, still going strongish.
As i say, I'll keep the identity of this man a secret as, you never know, he might want to take out yet another high paying job and knowing that he was all but out of it in 1991 and with a short time to think, he might not get any extra money, and the poor bloke probably needs it.
Camoradi said:
carinaman said:
Do Hansard keeping a record of how Lords vote on new legislation?
Can we check when Lord Janner last voted as a Peer and also when he attended the HoL and claimed his attendance fee?
I have just checked the House of Lords attendance records. He attended 15 days in November 2013, and 12 days in December 2013. His house was raided by police on 20th December 2013 and he hasn't attended since.Can we check when Lord Janner last voted as a Peer and also when he attended the HoL and claimed his attendance fee?
November 2013 http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-o...
December 2013 - http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-o...
January 2014 - http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-finance-o...
http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/13/lord-janner-voted-20...
Derek Smith said:
I saw a film once, black and white, where a kid was in a bed in a dorm and he heard the sound of footsteps coming up stairs. It frightened me at the time, although I wasn't fully aware of the implications. Now I am it is difficult to get the image out of my mind.
Two little paragraphs at the bottom:http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5563/richard-ker...
The thing that is winding me up about this and the enquiries/investigations etc is that not one of the parties is making a stand.
It's a sure fire, non-controversial vote winner - "we will disclose what we have in 3 months. No one will be protected."
They won't because the whole system is implicated and covering it's arse.
It's a sure fire, non-controversial vote winner - "we will disclose what we have in 3 months. No one will be protected."
They won't because the whole system is implicated and covering it's arse.
9mm said:
You couldn't possibly be referring to Ernest Saunders perchance? A walking medical miracle.
I'll just run my answer past my legal team.LEGAL NOTE: My client had no idea who Ernest Saunders is or was or might be. Like everyone else, he does not know of any incurable disease that can be cured. And my client has never posted on this forum and indeed is not my client.
Edited by Derek Smith on Wednesday 20th May 19:48
7 men from Knowl View come forward:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27...
Laws keep Smith's crimes secret:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...
Remember 'If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-27...
Laws keep Smith's crimes secret:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...
Remember 'If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide.....
John Mann MP is having another go at exempting those that come forward with information about historic sex crimes against children exempt from the Official Secrets Act:
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2015-16/38
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2015-16/38
Digga said:
desolate said:
Digga said:
hat name just keeps cropping up in a number of these distasteful cases; he was rather close to some of what went on in Rotherham too.
And Islington.
t in a field.AFAIC if a 90 odd year old man can be tried as a war criminal (which incidentally I believe he most definitely should) then this b
d needs to be tried too.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/commi...
dudleybloke said:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5574/kincora-sta...
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5575/richard-ker...
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5576/richard-ker...
I hadn't seen those.http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5575/richard-ker...
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5576/richard-ker...
Aren't all three pieces saying much the same thing, and repeating themselves? Isn't that was done in Campbell's Dodgy Dossier? It's the same MO?
Why would Theresa May want childrens homes in Ulster to be excluded from her over arching Paedophile Inquiry?
I did a search on Vaz earlier, just seeing if there was anything to confirm his links to Lord Janner.
I saw some stuff about a chap called Beck abusing boys in childrens homes in Leicester. It was saying there were others sexually abusing the boys too but he was the only one done for it. That's the same as what's been said in The Mail that Father Tony McSweeney is the only one to be done for sexually abusing boys at Grafton Close and Elm House. It reminds me of the police officer that wanted to go after other victims of William Goad and therefore other men sexually abusing boys but was told drop it.
I see the Labour MP that's standing against Vaz to chair the Home Affairs Select Committee was on Theresa May's Modern Slavery Bill and recently been made a Privy Counsellor, so while it's good there is another choice for that position other than Vaz I am not sure how effective or independent she may be.
Perhaps it's the reading around I've done this evening and knowing a bit about who is standing against Vaz as the Home Affairs Select Committee chair, but I am starting to think that nothing will be done and the establishment will do all in its power to cover it up and protect itself.
dudleybloke said:
The privy council is a popular promotion for those who cover up noncing.
How did Grant Shapps get to become a Privy Counsellor? Perhaps he's the victim of a press stitch up and/or a smear campaign?I saw a Tweet that said there may be another candidate to stand against Vaz for the Home Affairs Select Committee chair. I wonder if that third applicant will be a Privy Counsellor?
dudleybloke said:
And Beck died before he could talk any more didn't he?
I saw some stuff online that said one of the two solicitors dealing with Beck's case died unexpectedly.And Father Tony McSweeney's fellow abuser Stingemore died before he got to court.
dudleybloke said:
I've not heard of 'Fettesgate' before. Searching I came across this blog that mentions Fiona Woolf. I've not checked the information and I'll just leave the link:https://ianpace.wordpress.com/2014/10/28/colin-tuc...
But it does have a scan of a DM article by what would seem to be the same Graham Grant.
Missing files miraculously found. Now the perpetrators are dead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
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