Operation Trojan Horse
Discussion
SR7492 said:
I've had a good read of this and it is quite interesting but 'personally' I do think that it seems to be blown out of proportion.
I mean it started off with a letter which dates back to when?
I'm actually surprised with the amount of man power thrown at this; seems like Ofsted and DofE have gone in waging war on the schools which to me is a bit extreme. If only they had this approach for the whole of the UK education system then most kids would grow up with a decent education (the recent pupil/teacher stabbing in Leeds comes to mind as the school had a horrendous number of incidents including staff attacks/weaponry - why weren't Ofsted sorting that school out?)
Interesting to see what the report comes out with but I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of 'no Muslim takeover plot BUT most of the schools investigated need major reforms as the education/practices are piss poor'
And then it calms down again for 6 months!
Amazing.I mean it started off with a letter which dates back to when?
I'm actually surprised with the amount of man power thrown at this; seems like Ofsted and DofE have gone in waging war on the schools which to me is a bit extreme. If only they had this approach for the whole of the UK education system then most kids would grow up with a decent education (the recent pupil/teacher stabbing in Leeds comes to mind as the school had a horrendous number of incidents including staff attacks/weaponry - why weren't Ofsted sorting that school out?)
Interesting to see what the report comes out with but I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of 'no Muslim takeover plot BUT most of the schools investigated need major reforms as the education/practices are piss poor'
And then it calms down again for 6 months!
So one of the main suspects is also an Ofsted Inspector and lots of people have come out of the woodwork supporting the claims and you really think nothing untoward has really happened.
My fears are certain cultural groups from more third world regions of the world where nepotism and corruption are rife are now in the UK and believe that they can carry on as their cultural bonds are strong, insular and constantly reinforced. There is corruption everywhere but its almost as if we are frightened of cracking down on culturally motivated or organised corruption in case there are cultural repercussions.
In the education world Ofsted have come out the worst here. Clearly not independent.
This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
Asterix said:
Problem with that is you'll end up with the Saudis funding the schools and demanding an even harder line is taken.
They have a massive 'education' program worldwide and fund facilities and build new mosques etc.. across the globe... providing the end users abide by their rules.
Clear link between radicalisation and the growth of the Saudi funded mosques in the UK. I'll let you guess if our government are in any way interested in addressing this.They have a massive 'education' program worldwide and fund facilities and build new mosques etc.. across the globe... providing the end users abide by their rules.
- no, not interested after that.RedTrident said:
In the education world Ofsted have come out the worst here. Clearly not independent.
This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
OFSTED is not the only organisation at fault here. The LEA and specifically Birmingham City Council have failed to act on many occasions. In some ways the problems have become so endemic and ingrained that no one body was going to be able to tackle them by itself. That's why Gove has had to appoint some big hitters.This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
I feel sorry for the Teachers. I have sat in meetings where "Muslim" issues have been broached. Teachers asking for guidance on what to do when Muslim parents request that the school prevent their Primary school kids from eating and drinking during Ramadam. The LEA man just looked at his feet mumbled something and then appeared to reprimand the Teacher for bringing up the issue.
I agree this affair should bring up a whole new set of criteria for OFSTED and more importantly a whole set of guidelines for Teachers so that they do not have to worry about being branded Islamaphobic or Racist for airing real issues.
rich1231 said:
So one of the main suspects is also an Ofsted Inspector and lots of people have come out of the woodwork supporting the claims and you really think nothing untoward has really happened.
My fears are certain cultural groups from more third world regions of the world where nepotism and corruption are rife are now in the UK and believe that they can carry on as their cultural bonds are strong, insular and constantly reinforced. There is corruption everywhere but its almost as if we are frightened of cracking down on culturally motivated or organised corruption in case there are cultural repercussions.
What news have you been watching or reading . . . Daily Mail perhaps?My fears are certain cultural groups from more third world regions of the world where nepotism and corruption are rife are now in the UK and believe that they can carry on as their cultural bonds are strong, insular and constantly reinforced. There is corruption everywhere but its almost as if we are frightened of cracking down on culturally motivated or organised corruption in case there are cultural repercussions.
You say main 'suspects' like he has been arrested on terrorism charges but this person is a Ofsted inspector who is working as a governor on one of the schools being inspected - worrying? Maybe not but it does arise a lot of suspicion!
The thing that started this all off, the letter, is now believed to be a fake or forged!
Are Ofsted and DoE right to do what they are doing, of course but I just think the way this has all about has kinda been blown out of proportion.
SR7492 said:
Pickled Piper said:
I agree this affair should bring up a whole new set of criteria for OFSTED and more importantly a whole set of guidelines for Teachers so that they do not have to worry about being branded Islamaphobic or Racist for airing real issues.
+1RedTrident said:
In the education world Ofsted have come out the worst here. Clearly not independent.
This has been a problem for many years now. It has been felt in the teaching fraternity that inspections have been preordained before the inspectors even walk in the door.The drive during labour tenure, to force schools schools into academies were driven, when resisted, on the back of dubious Ofsted inspections. I cannot go into to much detail here, but a school that my wife was involved with, had a dramatic fall in the Ofsted result, even thought the actual students results had improved substantially, over a number of years. This was the excuse then used to get the new academy in.
Gove is merely continuing this, to promote his own agenda.
gpo746 said:
That is unlikely to happen. In the mainstream if you air those views you will be denounced by the correct brigade.
Given the recent move to UKIP and the very real concerns about immigration and radicalism that many people have, perhaps it is time the "correct brigade" were properly denounced?Pickled Piper said:
RedTrident said:
In the education world Ofsted have come out the worst here. Clearly not independent.
This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
OFSTED is not the only organisation at fault here. The LEA and specifically Birmingham City Council have failed to act on many occasions. In some ways the problems have become so endemic and ingrained that no one body was going to be able to tackle them by itself. That's why Gove has had to appoint some big hitters.This is not about educational results, nor operational standards but rather the 'culture' of a school. Ofsted are used to a world of poor teaching and poor systems leading to poor results. In these schools this clearly isn't where they went wrong.
A can see a new set of standards being produced to try and stop schools delivering a cultural experience that is at odds with preparing children for life in a society such as the one we want to live in. About time really in my opinion. A 10 GCSE A* Muslim young girl who is taught to be inferior to her thick male counterpart should be supported imo, even if she doesn't know she's being let down by those around her.
The government has a responsibility to act, especially if it is paying for her education. Hopefully Gove doesn't get cold feet now he has decided to take this on.
I feel sorry for the Teachers. I have sat in meetings where "Muslim" issues have been broached. Teachers asking for guidance on what to do when Muslim parents request that the school prevent their Primary school kids from eating and drinking during Ramadam. The LEA man just looked at his feet mumbled something and then appeared to reprimand the Teacher for bringing up the issue.
I agree this affair should bring up a whole new set of criteria for OFSTED and more importantly a whole set of guidelines for Teachers so that they do not have to worry about being branded Islamaphobic or Racist for airing real issues.
SR7492 said:
What news have you been watching or reading . . . Daily Mail perhaps?
You say main 'suspects' like he has been arrested on terrorism charges but this person is a Ofsted inspector who is working as a governor on one of the schools being inspected - worrying? Maybe not but it does arise a lot of suspicion!
The thing that started this all off, the letter, is now believed to be a fake or forged!
Are Ofsted and DoE right to do what they are doing, of course but I just think the way this has all about has kinda been blown out of proportion.
How about the complaints going back years that had been ignored until recently?You say main 'suspects' like he has been arrested on terrorism charges but this person is a Ofsted inspector who is working as a governor on one of the schools being inspected - worrying? Maybe not but it does arise a lot of suspicion!
The thing that started this all off, the letter, is now believed to be a fake or forged!
Are Ofsted and DoE right to do what they are doing, of course but I just think the way this has all about has kinda been blown out of proportion.
How exactly has it been blown out of proportion?
Marlin45 said:
c7xlg said:
Why can't we just ban all religious schools? And all religious comment/teaching other than in history classes? ? For once the french have something right...
...and the Spanish, Dutch, Germans, Americans.............IMHO any school with a religious bias should follow the governments requirements for education...and get no state funding. State schools should be secular and they then get state funding.
If you want to worship sky fairies do it in your own time and at your expense.
LOL ofsted what a joke. They gave oldknow academy outstanding in all areas last year. They have now been re-inspected and are due to be put into special measures (Ch4 news, earlier). What's changed between last year & this? Nothing.
ofsted are pathetic puppets of whatever the latest greatest bulls
t coming out of government is.
last ofsted report:
http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/filedownloading/?id=21709...
ofsted are pathetic puppets of whatever the latest greatest bulls
t coming out of government is.last ofsted report:
http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/filedownloading/?id=21709...
Newsnight covered this last night. They had a head teacher of one of the 'Trojan horse' schools on and the man could not even condemn stoning people to death or cutting hands off for theft etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JlUMY8l6bE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JlUMY8l6bE
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