Operation Trojan Horse

[zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

And an echo is not an improvement in sound quality.

[WinstonWolf]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

And an echo is not an improvement in sound quality.

Discuss.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

I also think faith schools shouldn't be allowed.

There is no such thing as a Muslim child, catholic child or Jewish child. They are the children of Muslim, Catholic or Jewish parents. A belief system should not be inherited. You can teach your kids many things, but not what to think.

I wonder how far I'd get if I wanted to set up a socialist school. If I were a socialist, if that was my belief, then apparently I have socialist children who I'm entitled to have educated in a school that propagates socialist principles. What a load of balls.

[gpo746]

Mr_B said:

gpo746 said:

Mr_B said:

Sticking kids in Burkas and putting "we as Muslims oppose the lifestyle of the West" on your schools website may have given a clue that they couldn't give a fk about anything other than their own agenda.
If you want children to go to such a school, I'd say you want to be the Jimmy Savile of their minds.

Evidence of this ? Genuine question by the way.
We live in Brum and its been one of the subjects that some people have been concerned about.
Its not new. Going back some 10 years one of the neighbours kids got some odd lesson about racial discrimination that was all about muslims being discriminated against.
The girl was in her last year at primary it wasn't a general lesson it was quite specific.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8114452/Ofsted-praises-Islamic-schools-which-oppose-Western-lifestyle.html

If its the Madani school in London (the one mentioned in the article) bthen I am either blind or they have changed their website
The most I could find is on this page.

http://madanischool.org.uk/?page_id=35
All pupils wishing to be part of Madani Girls school are expected to conform to the behaviour and uniform policy as we expect our pupils to adopt a positive Islamic personality that celebrates peace, harmony and enjoyment."


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[Digga]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I wonder how far I'd get if I wanted to set up a socialist school. If I were a socialist, if that was my belief, then apparently I have socialist children who I'm entitled to have educated in a school that propagates socialist principles.

Why have a dog and bark yourself when you can send them to any number of state schools which are pretty much that.

[Mr_B]

gpo746 said:

Mr_B said:

gpo746 said:

Mr_B said:

Sticking kids in Burkas and putting "we as Muslims oppose the lifestyle of the West" on your schools website may have given a clue that they couldn't give a fk about anything other than their own agenda.
If you want children to go to such a school, I'd say you want to be the Jimmy Savile of their minds.

Evidence of this ? Genuine question by the way.
We live in Brum and its been one of the subjects that some people have been concerned about.
Its not new. Going back some 10 years one of the neighbours kids got some odd lesson about racial discrimination that was all about muslims being discriminated against.
The girl was in her last year at primary it wasn't a general lesson it was quite specific.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8114452/Ofsted-praises-Islamic-schools-which-oppose-Western-lifestyle.html

If its the Madani school in London (the one mentioned in the article) bthen I am either blind or they have changed their website
The most I could find is on this page.

http://madanischool.org.uk/?page_id=35
All pupils wishing to be part of Madani Girls school are expected to conform to the behaviour and uniform policy as we expect our pupils to adopt a positive Islamic personality that celebrates peace, harmony and enjoyment."


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Do you think it's possible they make have removed that part ? Or did the Telegraph just make it up as a direct quote from their website ?

[gpo746]

Of the 2 its more likely to have been removed.
The thing is though I thought you were referring to Brum schools anyway.

[Mr_B]

gpo746 said:

Of the 2 its more likely to have been removed.
The thing is though I thought you were referring to Brum schools anyway.

I don't see that it makes a difference between east London and Brum. Of greater concern is the rather blatant 'we'll do as we like thanks' type attitude from some of these schools when they are convinced being an all or majority Muslim school means they can do their own thing. Thankfully, it seems some of the Muslim parents weren't too keen on that either.
To me, this is just another problem created in a school where religion needs to play no part.

[gpo746]

I'm concerned about my own area mate hence my interest and posts.
To be honest you put something on here I asked for clarification on it as I was very surprised. The "clarification" points to a newspaper article rather than a direct link. From that article I managed to link to the schools website. I could see little there to suggest what was claimed. I accept it probably was there but due to bad publicity was removed.
Hope that's clear enough for you.

I made the "mistake" of thinking it was regarding a Brum area school - the area that the thread was originally about.

Edited by gpo746 on Monday 9th June 15:05

[98elise]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I also think faith schools shouldn't be allowed.

There is no such thing as a Muslim child, catholic child or Jewish child. They are the children of Muslim, Catholic or Jewish parents. A belief system should not be inherited. You can teach your kids many things, but not what to think.

I wonder how far I'd get if I wanted to set up a socialist school. If I were a socialist, if that was my belief, then apparently I have socialist children who I'm entitled to have educated in a school that propagates socialist principles. What a load of balls.

I couldn't agree more. "Faith" is often little more than indoctrination. Ironic that the chidren of atheists probably have more freedom to choose their beliefs/faith than those of religious parents.

[Mermaid]

98elise said:

.. Ironic that the chidren of atheists probably have more freedom to choose their beliefs/faith than those of religious parents.

It would highly revealing to view the stats, if available, as to how many unburdened people seek the crutch, and which one?

[BlackLabel]

The Sunday Politics covered this yesterday. They had a former Islamist extremist on as a guest who made some interesting points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIOKY4DgEI

[RedTrident]

I see Tristian Hunt is objecting to schools that his party established.

Even when it comes to the safety of our children it seems some people just can't help themselves.

[flyingvisit]

Some interesting comments to the story on the Al-Beeb website:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27766291

Perhaps the worm has started to turn...

[Mr_B]

One of the female pupils made a statement about some of the things that were going on including segregation and any interaction between girls and boys being strictly controlled to the point visiting pupils homes and warning their parents if they were on even remotely friendly grounds. What an absolute mess this whole thing is, secular schools broadcasting the call the prayer across the playground on speakers. One can only hope all schools are made to ditch religion to the tiny amount of teaching it should be.

[anonymous-user]

The French have it right - no faith elements are allowed in state funded schools in France. The secularist French state regards children as incapable of consenting to religion just as they are incapable of consenting to sex.

See also:-

https://humanism.org.uk/2014/06/09/34029/

[Art0ir]

Breadvan72 said:

The French have it right - no faith elements are allowed in state funded schools in France. The secularist French state regards children as incapable of consenting to religion just as they are incapable of consenting to sex.

See also:-

https://humanism.org.uk/2014/06/09/34029/

That's the way to do things alright.

The US constitution should in theory provide similar protections (at least in education) but sadly appears to have been eroded to the point of being worth little when it comes to religious matters.

[gpo746]

Mr_B said:

One of the female pupils made a statement about some of the things that were going on including segregation and any interaction between girls and boys being strictly controlled to the point visiting pupils homes and warning their parents if they were on even remotely friendly grounds. What an absolute mess this whole thing is, secular schools broadcasting the call the prayer across the playground on speakers. One can only hope all schools are made to ditch religion to the tiny amount of teaching it should be.

I saw one girl on the news may be same thing you mean
Also saw a good one with a couple of lads saying how good it was what you could and couldn't do etc........ all was going splendidly until another lad piped up that it wasn't an Islamic school

[tali1]

gpo746 said:

Mr_B said:

One of the female pupils made a statement about some of the things that were going on including segregation and any interaction between girls and boys being strictly controlled to the point visiting pupils homes and warning their parents if they were on even remotely friendly grounds. What an absolute mess this whole thing is, secular schools broadcasting the call the prayer across the playground on speakers. One can only hope all schools are made to ditch religion to the tiny amount of teaching it should be.

I saw one girl on the news may be same thing you mean
Also saw a good one with a couple of lads saying how good it was what you could and couldn't do etc........ all was going splendidly until another lad piped up that it wasn't an Islamic school

Go into the city centre of any places with large muslim populations and you Will see muslIm girls openly with boyfriends.This so called segregation isn't having much affect....

[Mr_B]

Seems to be spreading north now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27779832