Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

[AJS-]

league67 said:

And yet they are quite happy to take expenses / pocket money / advances without contributing anything bar occasional Farage diatribe that only really appeal to faithful. As you say they are completely powerless. This is the part that I personally have a problem with. I agree with you that they are powerless. So why be there in the first place. Why not lobby for change within UK. Sans EU member states provided money. The whole 'we'll take as much money as possible just to show how wasteful system is' is stupid. Or bent. Or both.

By that logic you should only ever really vote for the ruling party. And while that sounds like some sort of an EU wet dream it's not my idea of democracy.

Should a political party not even stand unless they're likely to win the whole election?

[0a]

league67 said:

Ok, lets do this step by step. Consensus so far is that they haven't managed to do anything because they are powerless. Do you think that it is necessary for all MEPs to join the 'gravy train' in order for NF to make his case? I just don't see it. Do you think that NF stunts at EU parliament advance their case? Or does it make them sidelined and even less able to do anything about anything. Because of the above the comparison with LD is not valid.
Posters here seems to think that NF is the change that they are longing for. I'd like the change to. I'm very certain that NF is not the person to deliver that. Can't see anyone on the political scene that is able and willing to deliver required change.

If you or I were to start up the league67 or 0a party I'd be pretty happy with a national debate on sky and the bbc with the deputy prime minister, daily coverage of the issues I want to raise, a promise from the government on a major issue I believe in (the EU referendum), as well as displacing the third party by a 3:1 margin in opinion polls.

I'd say that's an excellent performance in terms of bringing the issues you or I might want raised to the attention of the public.

And three threads at the top of the PH news section: you know you have made it with that honour!

[league67]

AJS- said:

By that logic you should only ever really vote for the ruling party. And while that sounds like some sort of an EU wet dream it's not my idea of democracy.

Should a political party not even stand unless they're likely to win the whole election?

You take your time.

[league67]

0a said:

If you or I were to start up the league67 or 0a party I'd be pretty happy with a national debate on sky and the bbc with the deputy prime minister, daily coverage of the issues I want to raise, a promise from the government on a major issue I believe in (the EU referendum), as well as displacing the third party by a 3:1 margin in opinion polls.

I'd say that's an excellent performance in terms of bringing the issues you or I might want raised to the attention of the public.

And three threads at the top of the PH news section: you know you have made it with that honour!

I think that NF knows his target audience quite well. He knows that for some, whatever he says it will be eaten up by adoring faithful. I believe that someone called him most like Churchill since Churchill. Do you think it's necessary to have seven(or whatever the number of Meps UKIP has) in order to raise that single issue? Do you really think that they are there to raise awareness? I'd disagree. As far as displacing LD 3:1, do you think that that will translate to anything come election time? I doubt it. As previously said; it's very easy to make uncosted promises knowing well that you'll never be in a position to have to deliver them. To some, 'average-bloke-down-the-pub' routine is believable and reinforces the view that he is better than the current (atrocious) lot.


"Give 'em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle dazzle them
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
... "

[hidetheelephants]

10 Pence Short said:

An example? Here's a couple for a start; attend as many EU votes and parliamentary sessions as possible. Vote at these events. Refuse to accept any more expenses or allowances than they expressly need. Provide clear and itemised details of every penny they spend using EU-given money.

Do they do any of this? Of course not.

Do they talk a lot about it? Of course.

Have they DONEanything? Nope.

In legislative terms they've done entirely nought, but that's because an MEP has practically no ability to draft or alter EU legislation(that gets written by drones at the European Commission) and precious little opportunity to veto it due to all the MEP gravy-train passengers who are 'quite happy thank you very much' with the status quo.

rovermorris999 said:

Hannan correctly stated ' This is because the sum in question is an allowance, not a claim. It is handed over unconditionally, with no requirement for receipts. Much of the row of the past 24 hours is based on a misunderstanding of this point and, in fairness, it is quite a hard concept to grasp.'

I don't think it's hard to grasp at all. The delicious irony is that UKIP MEPS use the EU allowances to fight the EU.

It's certainly less irksome than the EU funding green NGOs so they can lobby the EU, which is as good a definition of a circle-jerk as there's ever been. As for OLAF, they couldn't find their collective arse with the aid of both hands and a copy of Gray's Anatomy.

[carinaman]

AJS- said:

By that logic you should only ever really vote for the ruling party. And while that sounds like some sort of an EU wet dream it's not my idea of democracy.

If you're Irish I hope you voted the correct way for the Lisbon Treaty. If you got it wrong the first time, I am sure you got it right the second time.

Police & Crime Commissioners? Ah yes, a vote in Novemeber when people in the frozen wastelands of Britain don't like to leave the comfort and warmth of their homes, and had no idea what each of the candidates stood for?

Nothing to do with many not buying into the idea of Police & Crime Commissioners at all.

[4v6]

league67 said:

......and reinforces the view that he is better than the current (atrocious) lot.

And yet I'll bet you'll still vote for one of these current "atrocious" lot!
Instead of either abstaining ( maybe?) or voting for ukip which is actually starting to put a rocket up the unworthy arses of the current"atrocious" lot.

Its a logical malfunction to vote for something that continues to be bad for you.

[GTIR]

I saw him on HIGNFY last night.

I've changed my mind. I'll not vote for him.

[FiF]

And there in one post is the level of thought that far too many people put into the decision making process in these days of personality politics.

Nothing about the substance or the actual important issues but all on the basis of a few minutes on some largely scripted heavily edited taking the piss comedy show.

Gives up with the UK voting public.

Get what they deserve. tts acquiring tts basically.

[GTIR]

He wasn't very funny though and he looks like a frog.
That's what I always base my vote on, policy's, education, morals etc have no bearing on my choice.

Cameron doesn't look like a frog and doesn't try and be funny.

[Einion Yrth]

GTIR said:

policy's, education

Oh, the irony.

[anonymous-user]

A pearl of great price!

[powerstroke]

GTIR said:

He wasn't very funny though and he looks like a frog.
That's what I always base my vote on, policy's, education, morals etc have no bearing on my choice.

Cameron doesn't look like a frog and doesn't try and be funny.

Well he has got a German wife and likes a drop of the vino fall down,
Maybe he is a plant and we'll find out he's really French!!!
Cameron well yes he looks and thinks like the aristocracy ,went to the right school,a born ruler..

[anonymous-user]

Yes, Dulwich College is really Street, YOLO.

[anonymous-user]

Naturally, we must assume that the young and exuberant Nige was merely ragging the Beaks, or expressing slightly immature opinions, which have of course moderated since, but this letter has a certain splendour, not least for the Albany letterhead, the formality of address, and the quality of its prose.

The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...

[carinaman]

That letter reminds of some of the people here that accuse people of having an 'anti-police' attitude due to their postings here. I wonder if those budding Bottom Inspectors of SP&L saw me shaking the hand of someone I knew to be a police officer earlier in the week?

Interesting some letter from Farage's school days isn't deemed inadmissable due to some arbitary three month limit like Judicial Reviews are. Some misdeeds and crimes are more admissable than others it seems.

Thanks Breadvan72 for that link. That letter is a bit like my sitauation trying to bring misdeeds to light, but possibly like Farrage becoming a Prefect have I been blighted by gossips and insinuendos to use a phrase of Derek Smith. Two allegations disappeared, and the letter my MP has from the Chief Constable is far less rigourous than even the redacted letter from English Teacher Chloe Deakin about Farage becoming a Prefect back in 1981.

It's just as well a Junior school teacher of my friends eldest mentioned they had to tell them off for drawing a swastika at school and having a zero tolerance for such behaviour. How many Swastikas did Airfix supply me with when I was a kid? Can I sue? I have had a bit of a fumble with a fair skinned German woman, so perhaps like Farage I'm really a bit a Nazi underneath? I have owned Fiats before. Further proof of my right wing leanings?

Actually a Geography Teacher mentioned Fiats coming from Italy, so he was probably a cryptofascist that sowed that seed. And another teacher had some foreign old CZs or Jawas for some 'project' that never actually happened. In fact I think they could have been using a Science classroom as a storeroom for their old motorbikes. I am sure they were never worked on and were in an aisle way. They were a trip hazard. Can I sue?

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 16th April 09:39

[anonymous-user]

I suspect that young Nige was partly seeking attention and aiming to cause outrage, and partly had the typically naive views of youth, and I don't think that he is in fact a neo-Fascist. Nige appears, however, to remain the sort of bloke who likes to be noticed. He seems to have a sort of teenage stink bomb/whoopee cushion approach redolent, in political terms, of the pseudo-eccentric but actually deeply conventional types who appear at hustings wearing comedy top hats and exploding rosettes; and in non political contexts are seen near the front of the crowd at the Last Night of the Proms.

[Digga]

Breadvan72 said:

Naturally, we must assume that the young and exuberant Nige was merely ragging the Beaks, or expressing slightly immature opinions, which have of course moderated since, but this letter has a certain splendour, not least for the Albany letterhead, the formality of address, and the quality of its prose.

The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...

Fantastic. Truthfully, where did you find this, or perhaps more pertinently, how was it brought to your attention?

TBF, if my contemporaries' or tutors' were asked their opinion of me during school years, I doubt the outlook would be positive. I was never too excercised by 'popularity' but if and when I caught, secondhand, opinions about me - you do sometimes get told things - I was always surprised how far the deviated from reality (not just my person perception). I could see the same was also true of others.

Given the clergy's role in child molestation, I should thunk the fact NF pissed off the padre is, perhaps, to be commended.

[anonymous-user]

What? Every padre is kiddy fiddler? Is that the same as "every Romanian works in a car wash/copper stealing gang"?

[Art0ir]

One teacher's reaction to me leaving school at 16 with 10 GCSEs was "Good."

I never gelled with the faculty at my secondary school (Catholic Grammar) but knew I'd get a good education, so stayed for as long as I needed. Leaving to study at a local college was the best move I ever made. I honestly don't think I would have lasted another 2 years completing A Levels without either getting a kicking from a teacher or burning the place down.