Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough
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Digga said:
Fantastic. Truthfully, where did you find this, or perhaps more pertinently, how was it brought to your attention?...
I found the letter because, when responding to someone dissing dodgy Dave because he went to Eton, I had a senior moment and could not recall if ordinary bloke and non privileged man of the people Nige went to Dulwich (annual fees: lots) or to Lancing (annual fees: lots). I Googled something like "Farage Dulwich", and one of the hits was that rather splendid letter.
Breadvan72 said:
Digga said:
Fantastic. Truthfully, where did you find this, or perhaps more pertinently, how was it brought to your attention?...
I found the letter because, when responding to someone dissing dodgy Dave because he went to Eton, I had a senior moment and could not recall if ordinary bloke and non privileged man of the people Nige went to Dulwich (annual fees: lots) or to Lancing (annual fees: lots). I Googled something like "Farage Dulwich", and one of the hits was that rather splendid letter.
My remarks about religious kiddy fiddlers were flippant.
Artoir, I have a mate, not a close friend, but a guy I knew at school. He was always in the lower sets for graded subjects, although not entirely always due to stupidity or lack of aptitude, but also due to disruptiveness or lack of application. IIRC I don;t think he actually strickly finished school, although he got a few O levels, but he left to begin life as a motor mechanic, something which his aptitude for restoring w
ked-out mopeds (this prior to be old enough to legally ride one) and driving cars (clearly also not legal, but he only ever drove his parent's cars) would suggest was his vocation. For decades now, he has owned and run a very successful and well regarded independent servicing garage and MOT test station. I doubt whether many teachers would have given him the slightest odds of success.I never had issues with academia, I was always in the higher Science (Triple award GCSE) and Maths (Applied Mathematics GCSE and Additional Mathematics GCSE) classes for example, I could just never bother applying myself to the subjects I placed no value upon. English Literature (the only GCSE I failed, for not submitting coursework) and Religious Education were the two I fell behind in the most. I'm confident I could have done extremely well in them, but simply had no interest - so they were ignored and I focused on the "hard skill" subjects.
This was not something the faculty was terribly approving of. I also rubbed a lot of staff up the wrong way when questioning their Catholic doctrine in the context of education, which went as well as you can imagine. This led to further attention from the staff in the form of detentions, suspensions, etc. which then resulted in a (with hindsight, unwise) push back from my teenage self.
I have no doubt the list of names former teachers would have called me in the confines of the staff room would exceed my vocabulary. I probably made life a bit difficult for some of them, often unintentionally but perhaps, just sometimes, on purpose.
I did and still do have a huge problem with authority for the sake of authority. I respect my boss for example and would take his word on most things, but I've never felt the same affections for the majority of secondary school teachers, or government for that matter. I learnt very quickly that questioning a teacher's knowledge is a shortcut to after school detentions, even if they are at the very best naive and at worst just falsifying facts and passing that off as teaching.
Maybe that's why I like Farage and dislike big government. Maybe the teachers called me a fascist in letters!
This was not something the faculty was terribly approving of. I also rubbed a lot of staff up the wrong way when questioning their Catholic doctrine in the context of education, which went as well as you can imagine. This led to further attention from the staff in the form of detentions, suspensions, etc. which then resulted in a (with hindsight, unwise) push back from my teenage self.
I have no doubt the list of names former teachers would have called me in the confines of the staff room would exceed my vocabulary. I probably made life a bit difficult for some of them, often unintentionally but perhaps, just sometimes, on purpose.
I did and still do have a huge problem with authority for the sake of authority. I respect my boss for example and would take his word on most things, but I've never felt the same affections for the majority of secondary school teachers, or government for that matter. I learnt very quickly that questioning a teacher's knowledge is a shortcut to after school detentions, even if they are at the very best naive and at worst just falsifying facts and passing that off as teaching.
Maybe that's why I like Farage and dislike big government. Maybe the teachers called me a fascist in letters!
Breadvan72 said:
Naturally, we must assume that the young and exuberant Nige was merely ragging the Beaks, or expressing slightly immature opinions, which have of course moderated since, but this letter has a certain splendour, not least for the Albany letterhead, the formality of address, and the quality of its prose.
The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...
If that letter is genuine then it clearly demonstrates that Nigel was gifted at winding up lefties from an early age.The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...
I messed about a bit, but did well in my O levels and even spent some time in the summer reading a book on calculus in preparation for A levels.
I was then, generally de-motivated at A level by poor teaching, but particularly with maths where the teacher did not have full grasp of the whole curriculum and in many topics, simply wanted to teach parrot-fashion acceptance of 'rules', rather than being able or prepared to explain in the way that (having read up on the subject) I knew was possible. My respect for authority was, by this point, very low.
I was therefore lucky (and relieved) to go on to study engineering as a graduate and found the lecturers (barring the very rare exception) to be excellent.
I was then, generally de-motivated at A level by poor teaching, but particularly with maths where the teacher did not have full grasp of the whole curriculum and in many topics, simply wanted to teach parrot-fashion acceptance of 'rules', rather than being able or prepared to explain in the way that (having read up on the subject) I knew was possible. My respect for authority was, by this point, very low.
I was therefore lucky (and relieved) to go on to study engineering as a graduate and found the lecturers (barring the very rare exception) to be excellent.
don4l said:
Breadvan72 said:
Naturally, we must assume that the young and exuberant Nige was merely ragging the Beaks, or expressing slightly immature opinions, which have of course moderated since, but this letter has a certain splendour, not least for the Albany letterhead, the formality of address, and the quality of its prose.
The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...
If that letter is genuine then it clearly demonstrates that Nigel was gifted at winding up lefties from an early age.The Master, by the way, went ahead and gave Nige the Prefect Gig. History does not record whether his rule was benign or terrible.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/169454715/Nigel-Farage-1...
UKIP/NF are like homeopathy. The less they do the more potent they are to their users/faithful.
I think I get it now. Ukip appeals to those people who seem to think that they know better than everybody else on any given subject. The sort of 'brain surgery? How hard can it really be? Give me five minutes with a penknife and I'll have you right as rain' type. The tales of 'sticking it to the man' at school (where they were all clearly much smarter than the teachers) sums it up.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
Breadvan72 said:
Digga said:
Fantastic. Truthfully, where did you find this, or perhaps more pertinently, how was it brought to your attention?...
I found the letter because, when responding to someone dissing dodgy Dave because he went to Eton, I had a senior moment and could not recall if ordinary bloke and non privileged man of the people Nige went to Dulwich (annual fees: lots) or to Lancing (annual fees: lots). I Googled something like "Farage Dulwich", and one of the hits was that rather splendid letter.
TTwiggy said:
I think I get it now. Ukip appeals to those people who seem to think that they know better than everybody else on any given subject. The sort of 'brain surgery? How hard can it really be? Give me five minutes with a penknife and I'll have you right as rain' type. The tales of 'sticking it to the man' at school (where they were all clearly much smarter than the teachers) sums it up.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
Have you read any of Breadvan's posts? If anyone on this thread thinks they're know more, or are smarter than everyone else, it'd be him.Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
AshVX220 said:
TTwiggy said:
I think I get it now. Ukip appeals to those people who seem to think that they know better than everybody else on any given subject. The sort of 'brain surgery? How hard can it really be? Give me five minutes with a penknife and I'll have you right as rain' type. The tales of 'sticking it to the man' at school (where they were all clearly much smarter than the teachers) sums it up.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
Have you read any of Breadvan's posts? If anyone on this thread thinks they're know more, or are smarter than everyone else, it'd be him.Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
My post was only semi-serious, but it was (to me at least) quite telling to note a common theme among those who support Nige and his party with regards to their view on school/teachers etc.
TTwiggy said:
AshVX220 said:
TTwiggy said:
I think I get it now. Ukip appeals to those people who seem to think that they know better than everybody else on any given subject. The sort of 'brain surgery? How hard can it really be? Give me five minutes with a penknife and I'll have you right as rain' type. The tales of 'sticking it to the man' at school (where they were all clearly much smarter than the teachers) sums it up.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
Have you read any of Breadvan's posts? If anyone on this thread thinks they're know more, or are smarter than everyone else, it'd be him.Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
My post was only semi-serious, but it was (to me at least) quite telling to note a common theme among those who support Nige and his party with regards to their view on school/teachers etc.
TTwiggy said:
It seems to me that there is more than enough need for both sides in this debate to calm down and grow up. Pictures of cats ringing any bells?
Indeed, for some reason where UKIPs involved sensible debate and the ability to at least read the posts of the opposite view go out the window. As well as the ability to respond to a given post properly. Not all, but the majority of posts I think, and yes, both "sides" are guilty and it's never clear which side "started it" as far as bad responses go.Which is why I rarely post in these threads anymore.
I have no doubt that BV is probably extremely helpful in the SPL threads (never been in there myself), but the pretentious responses on here just wind me up. I have absolutely no time for people who they're better than everyone else.
TTwiggy said:
I think I get it now. Ukip appeals to those people who seem to think that they know better than everybody else on any given subject. The sort of 'brain surgery? How hard can it really be? Give me five minutes with a penknife and I'll have you right as rain' type. The tales of 'sticking it to the man' at school (where they were all clearly much smarter than the teachers) sums it up.
Nigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
If you're referring to my comments on teaching quality, it was quite easy to check these "facts" outside of the classroom and see a minority were teaching absolute bNigel exemplifies this type of person with his 'running a country? How hard can it be? I'll have it sorted by lunchtime and we can all go down the pub' rhetoric.
ks. Perhaps I should have blindly followed and remembered the incorrect version of history/chemical equation/etc.
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