Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough
Discussion
fblm said:
I always thought UKIP would appeal more to the traditional Labour voter than Tory but it seems accepted wisdom they are more of a threat to the Tory's. I admit I don't get it. Labour historically have proved themselves far more euro-skeptic than the Tory's (with the exception of Blairs blatent giveaways to try and buy himself a back up career plan). Cheap imported labour and increased pressure for government services are always going to hurt the working poor more than the middle class. Is there any evidence labour voters are turning to UKIP?
I would have thought that middle-class Labour voters would see Ukip as too right-wing, while the 'working class' ones who are concerned about people 'coming over 'ere, taking our benefits' would most likely switch to BNP etc (please note, for clarity, that I am not suggesting in any way that Ukip are akin to the BNP).TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
I think that myth has been somewhat blown apart of late by just about every credible poll...Labour/Libs are hemorrhaging more to UKIP than the Tories...
TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
You're so yesterday it's untrue. A vote for Tory is a vote for Labour, if you want a party with conservative values, vote UKIP.TKF said:
If you mean lots of people are pointing and laughing at swivel eyed loons then yes, we're petrified.
As an aside I can't help but chuckle at the repeated shorthand for Nigel Farage. I suppose in a way he is a bit National Front Lite
Wow! The Racist slur squirts forth from TKF's butthole to once again infect the thread.As an aside I can't help but chuckle at the repeated shorthand for Nigel Farage. I suppose in a way he is a bit National Front Lite
Tired, pathetic and untrue.
Kinda sums up your arguments.
dandarez said:
My god, it's only the Euro (and Council) elections next month, not the GE yet both threads at the top are Kippers'.
We REALLY have got you other dyed in the wool, stuck in the mud, ToryLabLibs worried haven't we?
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?...... We REALLY have got you other dyed in the wool, stuck in the mud, ToryLabLibs worried haven't we?
TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
And remind us once again why a valid, legal political party should just stand aside and let camerons tory "lites" (to coin your term) just do what they want?Scuffers said:
TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
I think that myth has been somewhat blown apart of late by just about every credible poll...Labour/Libs are hemorrhaging more to UKIP than the Tories...
TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
Is it?I live in a sale labour seat
if i vote tory i get a labour MP
How will me voting UKIP give me 2 labour MPs?
pcvdriver said:
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?......
The reason you hate UKIP is because they are so against the SNP way of thinkingUKIP = A party who believes that the UK can stand on its own two feet and doesn't need to rely on its nearest neighbours
SNP = A party who knows scotland hasn't got a single chance of surviving without help which is is why they want to be ruled by brussels, share the pounds, share the BBC, share the defence force, share the DVLA, share the benefits system etc and so on with another country
so go away you silly little man
Guam said:
Breadvan72 said:
AshVX220 said:
Ah yes, his regular comments about "getting the crayons out" for us Kippers isn't pretentious at all.
"Aren't", not "isn't". HTH.As for posh schools and non posh schools, I would never hold anyone's posh or non posh background against them. I don't give a toss that Cameron went to Eton and Brasenose (darlings, it's a faintly second rate College anyway). The question is whether he is any good as PM. On that, opinions vary. I am not his biggest fan.
I also don't give a toss that Nige went to Dulwich, as after all it was probably his parents that chose to send him there. As the typical chippy oik from a compo, I am the first to accept that places like Eton and Dulwich are excellent schools that produce some very talented and public spirited people and not merely stereotypical braying hoorays.
The point here is that when Nige presents himself (I think falsely) as the ordinary bloke standing against the toffs, his own socio-economic background becomes relevant. It's not a big point; merely another example of the mountebank tricks whereby Nige masquerades as something other than yet another professional politician who is in it for reasons of personal ambition, and who is prepared to dance around the truth when it suits him to do so.
Breadvan72 said:
The point here is that when Nige presents himself (I think falsely) as the ordinary bloke standing against the toffs, his own socio-economic background becomes relevant. It's not a big point; merely another example of the mountebank tricks whereby Nige masquerades as something other than yet another professional politician who is in it for reasons of personal ambition, and who is prepared to dance around the truth when it suits him to do so.
Don't be silly. I've seen him drinks pints and everything.No privately educated ex-Tory former commodities trader would drink beer.
He's one of us, BV. One of us.
pcvdriver said:
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?......
As deposits are paid per party and there being just the one election and one constituency contested in Scotland this year, UKIP only have to pay a single deposit of £2,500. Deposits are returned if a party polls more than 2.5% of the total vote.In 2004 and 2009, UKIP comfortably received more than 2.5% of the vote in Scotland and received both deposits back. Based on current polls they will do so again.
Incidentally the Scottish Greens are trying to position themselves as the anti UKIP vote (there is a chance that they or UKIP will take the last seat although it is likely the SNP will take it as their 3rd seat) - there's a good a reason as any to vote UKIP then!
GTIR said:
That's what I always base my vote on
Cameron doesn't look like a frog
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