Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

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TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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fblm said:
I always thought UKIP would appeal more to the traditional Labour voter than Tory but it seems accepted wisdom they are more of a threat to the Tory's. I admit I don't get it. Labour historically have proved themselves far more euro-skeptic than the Tory's (with the exception of Blairs blatent giveaways to try and buy himself a back up career plan). Cheap imported labour and increased pressure for government services are always going to hurt the working poor more than the middle class. Is there any evidence labour voters are turning to UKIP?
I would have thought that middle-class Labour voters would see Ukip as too right-wing, while the 'working class' ones who are concerned about people 'coming over 'ere, taking our benefits' would most likely switch to BNP etc (please note, for clarity, that I am not suggesting in any way that Ukip are akin to the BNP).

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
I think that myth has been somewhat blown apart of late by just about every credible poll...

Labour/Libs are hemorrhaging more to UKIP than the Tories...

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
keep up at the back

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
You're so yesterday it's untrue. A vote for Tory is a vote for Labour, if you want a party with conservative values, vote UKIP.

4v6

1,098 posts

125 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
If you mean lots of people are pointing and laughing at swivel eyed loons then yes, we're petrified.

As an aside I can't help but chuckle at the repeated shorthand for Nigel Farage. I suppose in a way he is a bit National Front Lite
Wow! The Racist slur squirts forth from TKF's butthole to once again infect the thread.
Tired, pathetic and untrue.
Kinda sums up your arguments.

pcvdriver

1,819 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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dandarez said:
My god, it's only the Euro (and Council) elections next month, not the GE yet both threads at the top are Kippers'.

We REALLY have got you other dyed in the wool, stuck in the mud, ToryLabLibs worried haven't we?
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?...... biglaugh

4v6

1,098 posts

125 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
And remind us once again why a valid, legal political party should just stand aside and let camerons tory "lites" (to coin your term) just do what they want?

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Scuffers said:
TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
I think that myth has been somewhat blown apart of late by just about every credible poll...

Labour/Libs are hemorrhaging more to UKIP than the Tories...
Rubbish: UKIP is taking SIX times as many votes from the Tories as it is from Labour.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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pcvdriver said:
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?...... biglaugh
You've got your own Scottish UKIP to vote for.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
A vote for UKIP is basically a vote for Labour. Not because their politics are similar (if you can say a single policy party has "politics") but because it's splitting the right wing/Tory vote.
Is it?

I live in a sale labour seat

if i vote tory i get a labour MP

How will me voting UKIP give me 2 labour MPs?

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27030660

Scroll down for radio interview....

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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pcvdriver said:
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?...... biglaugh
The reason you hate UKIP is because they are so against the SNP way of thinking

UKIP = A party who believes that the UK can stand on its own two feet and doesn't need to rely on its nearest neighbours

SNP = A party who knows scotland hasn't got a single chance of surviving without help which is is why they want to be ruled by brussels, share the pounds, share the BBC, share the defence force, share the DVLA, share the benefits system etc and so on with another country


so go away you silly little man

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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AshVX220 said:
Ah yes, his regular comments about "getting the crayons out" for us Kippers isn't pretentious at all.
"Aren't", not "isn't". HTH.

TKF

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6,232 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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A tetchy lot, these UKIPHers

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Guam said:
Breadvan72 said:
AshVX220 said:
Ah yes, his regular comments about "getting the crayons out" for us Kippers isn't pretentious at all.
"Aren't", not "isn't". HTH.
You might want to help Zod out with Can and Will in that case BV smile
I am not sure, but I think that Zod might be a bit posh. Caran d'Ache?

As for posh schools and non posh schools, I would never hold anyone's posh or non posh background against them. I don't give a toss that Cameron went to Eton and Brasenose (darlings, it's a faintly second rate College anyway). The question is whether he is any good as PM. On that, opinions vary. I am not his biggest fan.

I also don't give a toss that Nige went to Dulwich, as after all it was probably his parents that chose to send him there. As the typical chippy oik from a compo, I am the first to accept that places like Eton and Dulwich are excellent schools that produce some very talented and public spirited people and not merely stereotypical braying hoorays.

The point here is that when Nige presents himself (I think falsely) as the ordinary bloke standing against the toffs, his own socio-economic background becomes relevant. It's not a big point; merely another example of the mountebank tricks whereby Nige masquerades as something other than yet another professional politician who is in it for reasons of personal ambition, and who is prepared to dance around the truth when it suits him to do so.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Guam said:
I know isnt it a shame they wont just roll over and take their beatings like Tories smile
They pay good money for those beatings

TKF

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6,232 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Breadvan72 said:
The point here is that when Nige presents himself (I think falsely) as the ordinary bloke standing against the toffs, his own socio-economic background becomes relevant. It's not a big point; merely another example of the mountebank tricks whereby Nige masquerades as something other than yet another professional politician who is in it for reasons of personal ambition, and who is prepared to dance around the truth when it suits him to do so.
Don't be silly. I've seen him drinks pints and everything.

No privately educated ex-Tory former commodities trader would drink beer.

He's one of us, BV. One of us.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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TKF said:
Don't be silly. I've seen him drinks pints and everything.

No privately educated ex-Tory former commodities trader would drink beer.

He's one of us, BV. One of us.
I live in a safe labour seat

Why shouldn't i vote UKIP?



ninja-lewis

4,226 posts

189 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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pcvdriver said:
What about North of the border? Planning on keeping a single deposit this time round? What? Not even ONE ?...... biglaugh
As deposits are paid per party and there being just the one election and one constituency contested in Scotland this year, UKIP only have to pay a single deposit of £2,500. Deposits are returned if a party polls more than 2.5% of the total vote.

In 2004 and 2009, UKIP comfortably received more than 2.5% of the vote in Scotland and received both deposits back. Based on current polls they will do so again.

Incidentally the Scottish Greens are trying to position themselves as the anti UKIP vote (there is a chance that they or UKIP will take the last seat although it is likely the SNP will take it as their 3rd seat) - there's a good a reason as any to vote UKIP then! tongue out

hidetheelephants

23,771 posts

192 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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GTIR said:
He wasn't very funny though and he looks like a frog.
That's what I always base my vote on, policy's, education, morals etc have no bearing on my choice.

Cameron doesn't look like a frog and doesn't try and be funny.thumbup
Edited for clarity; does CMD know about this bromance you've got going on? biggrin