Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

[mrpurple]

Zod said:

hey'll all be punished at the European Parliament elections, but they won't realy care. Then Labour's punishment from UKIP and its supporters will be to have the country handed to it on a plate in May 2015. Bravo, UKIP!

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

[10 Pence Short]

mrpurple said:

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

It will be down to all of us within the confines of the system and parliament that we have.

Personally, it is not the threat of splitting the conservative vote that would prevent me voting UKIP. It would be the fact that they have no detailed policies, no strength in depth and I do not believe Farage when he opens his mouth (that last bit goes for Cameron and Clegg, too btw).

[otolith]

Every party we have has at least one good reason why I don't really want to vote for it. Cameron's latest bks about religion, for example. You just have to choose the least worst or, as I've done before, spoil your ballot.

[Digga]

mrpurple said:

Zod said:

hey'll all be punished at the European Parliament elections, but they won't realy care. Then Labour's punishment from UKIP and its supporters will be to have the country handed to it on a plate in May 2015. Bravo, UKIP!

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

I may read things incorrectly, but personally, I can see a lot of previous Lab working class voters turning UKIP.

1. Most people realise Labour's multi-culti, open-borders, quashing of discussion on immigration (who can forget bigotgate? for example) is what has created a lot of the mess we are now dealing with.
2. Everyone but Ed Balls know Labour were terrible for the economy.
3. Labour have been almost completely missing from the EU debate - another issue which many see as crucial to our future.
4. Labour's ties to its previous supporters - especially the weakening unions - is dwindling rapidly.
5. People are, rightly and for many reasons, pissed off with ALL the main parties. Labour will take their share of that attrition.

[mrpurple]

10 Pence Short said:

mrpurple said:

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

It will be down to all of us within the confines of the system and parliament that we have.

So the system & parliament needs changing then.

[10 Pence Short]

mrpurple said:

So the system & parliament needs changing then.

With the aim of fixing what problem?

[otolith]

Zod said:

hey'll all be punished at the European Parliament elections, but they won't realy care. Then Labour's punishment from UKIP and its supporters will be to have the country handed to it on a plate in May 2015. Bravo, UKIP!

Perhaps that's what the Tories need in order to reposition themselves to avoid losing votes to UKIP?

[McWigglebum4th]

10 Pence Short said:

It will be down to all of us within the confines of the system and parliament that we have.

Personally, it is not the threat of splitting the conservative vote that would prevent me voting UKIP. It would be the fact that they have no detailed policies, no strength in depth and I do not believe Farage when he opens his mouth (that last bit goes for Cameron and Clegg, too btw).

If that stops you voting UKIP then i guess you will be with me in the corner

Really tight and KY jelly

[AshVX220]

10 Pence Short said:

It will be down to all of us within the confines of the system and parliament that we have.

Personally, it is not the threat of splitting the conservative vote that would prevent me voting UKIP. It would be the fact that they have no detailed policies, no strength in depth and I do not believe Farage when he opens his mouth (that last bit goes for Cameron and Clegg, too btw).

So you believe Milliband when he vents his spleen? How odd.

[10 Pence Short]

AshVX220 said:

So you believe Milliband when he vents his spleen? How odd.

Yes, I believe Miliband is ultimately more transparent in his aims and ideology than the others. I also happen to think his aims and ideologies are cobblers.

[AshVX220]

10 Pence Short said:

AshVX220 said:

So you believe Milliband when he vents his spleen? How odd.

Yes, I believe Miliband is ultimately more transparent in his aims and ideology than the others. I also happen to think his aims and ideologies are cobblers.

Ah, that's OK, at least you understand he's a twunt, that's all that matters on that one.

[10 Pence Short]

Guam said:

Which leaves him no one to vote for other than the Greens now

I'll vote for whichever candidate offers the best solution to local issues, subject to them not representing a party ideologically opposed to me. That pretty much rules out Labour, Greens and UKIP.

Aside from that, I won't be voting along party lines.

[10 Pence Short]

Probably not, as I don't believe the current leadership are ideologically aligned with me. It is true to say, as far as economic policy goes, I trust them most as a party, though.

I would prefer to vote for a sensible independent in the next GE.

[TKF]

Guam said:

WinstonWolf said:

Guam said:

10 Pence Short said:

Guam said:

Do we know that IS what he has done yet? I am yet to see evidence to that effect, perhaps you have a link?

Farage admits he has received the money. There is dispute over how much of it is being spent on the things it is supposed to be.

Well we know he received the flaming money every MEP does, he can hardly deny it, so show us some evidence regarding these "disputes" so far much fluff no substance from what I am finding, this isn't it appears like Maria miller, or the Labour crooks who had documented wrong doing published. When the Telegraph did its thing it had hard evidence and published it, so where is the Times equivalent?
give us a link and I will happily sign a petition demanding he stands down (as I did with miller through Change.org)

You do realise 10PS will now spend his entire day desperately searching on Google

No he wont, none of them will produce the "facts". I have already dug really deep and there is nothing I can find, if there had been I would have posted it myself, plenty of allegations but nothing of real substance thus far.

It takes no time at all to find discrepancies in the numbers.

Farage said:

The office costs about £1000/mth

David Samuel-Camps said:

The office costs £700 per month. When I went to school we were taught the times tables and that £700 times 12 equals £8400 (which is not too far removed from Mr Farage’s £1000 per month)

UKIP website said:

The office costs £1400/mth

We're not talking massive sums but I bet everyone here would welcome a few hundred pounds per month of tax free money paid directly to their personal account with no requirement to supply receipts or justification of where it's gone.

They are ALL at it, MEPs and MPs. We're just saying Farage is no different and therefore hypocritical when he was so vocal about Miller.

[mrpurple]

10 Pence Short said:

Probably not, as I don't believe the current leadership are ideologically aligned with me. It is true to say, as far as economic policy goes, I trust them most as a party, though.

I would prefer to vote for a sensible independent in the next GE.

But would that not let Millipede in?

[TKF]

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

[Zod]

mrpurple said:

Zod said:

hey'll all be punished at the European Parliament elections, but they won't realy care. Then Labour's punishment from UKIP and its supporters will be to have the country handed to it on a plate in May 2015. Bravo, UKIP!

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

What does it have to do with fault? The UKIP supporter's attitude seems to be: "because Cameron won't do what we want (and even if he says he will, we don't believe him), we're going to vote UKIP, knowing it won't win a seat, but also that Labour will win the election."

It's childish.

[jogon]

TKF said:

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

It's a fking allowance! No receipts required. He could have spent it on coke and hookers for all I care.

The mud slinging will achieve nothing on changing people's opinion on the EU.

If you don't like the EU and the way it is heading then there is simply no other credible choice to vote for.

Time to change tact.

[Zod]

Guam said:

Spot on and thats what irritates the fanboys of all 3 main parties, its no longer about THEM, the dialogue is moving on and they are being left behind.

No. UKIP love to spin that message, but it's just not true. UKIP harms the Conservatives and helps Labour.

[jogon]

Guam said:

Even Brietbart reckon its a flaming Joke

Article here

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/...

Good comment on that article..

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” -Mahatma Gandhi