Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough

[TKF]

jogon said:

TKF said:

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

It's a fking allowance! No receipts required. He could have spent it on coke and hookers for all I care.

Would that mean his nose is in the trough?

Glad we've come full circle.

[johnfm]

Zod said:

Guam said:

Spot on and thats what irritates the fanboys of all 3 main parties, its no longer about THEM, the dialogue is moving on and they are being left behind.

No. UKIP love to spin that message, but it's just not true. UKIP harms the Conservatives and helps Labour.

It only harms the Conservatives because they are choosing to act as a centre-left party in order to maximise their chances in marginal seats.

Both main parties have cynically drifted left-of centre in order to win votes.

The Conservative should act conservative, Labour socialist and then let the electorate choose what they want. THey don't - so we get the mess we have.

[AshVX220]

Zod said:

mrpurple said:

Zod said:

hey'll all be punished at the European Parliament elections, but they won't realy care. Then Labour's punishment from UKIP and its supporters will be to have the country handed to it on a plate in May 2015. Bravo, UKIP!

Will all be UKIP's fault and nowt to do with the Cons or Libs then?

What does it have to do with fault? The UKIP supporter's attitude seems to be: "because Cameron won't do what we want (and even if he says he will, we don't believe him), we're going to vote UKIP, knowing it won't win a seat, but also that Labour will win the election."

It's childish.

No Zod, it's called democracy. Being able to vote for what/who you believe in. Only those currently on the Lab-Con merry go-round would like to do all they can to bin democracy. Hence no vote in recent history over the EU.

[Esseesse]

johnfm said:

Both main parties have cynically drifted left-of centre in order to win votes.

The Conservative should act conservative, Labour socialist and then let the electorate choose what they want.

I agree but importantly, parties should act and campaign for what they believe in, not for what they think will scoop some more votes up.

This is a core reason as to why UKIP have been doing well. Right or wrong they come across as sincere. If you blow in the wind like the main parties them you do not. Also this vote chasing is what underpins the image of the 'career politician', where it is no longer about doing what he/she sincerely believes is for the good of the country.

[Jinx]

Guam said:

Yes yes we have it was horsehit initially and you are back to repeating the same nonsense.

It has been pointed out by everyone that these allowances are fixed amounts all the MEP's get the same amount, it is up to the MEP how they are spent, these are not expenses. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the difference is a sad indictment of our educational system. There is not even a mechanism to hand back unspent amounts, wishing for wrong doing wont make it so sorry!

Probably can't see the difference between a reduced rate in benefits and the "Bedroom Tax".

[TKF]

Guam said:

TKF said:

jogon said:

TKF said:

Those are the rebuttals. They are the most recent figures provided by the parties involved.

It's a fking allowance! No receipts required. He could have spent it on coke and hookers for all I care.

Would that mean his nose is in the trough?

Glad we've come full circle.

Yes yes we have it was horsehit initially and you are back to repeating the same nonsense.

It has been pointed out by everyone that these allowances are fixed amounts all the MEP's get the same amount, it is up to the MEP how they are spent, these are not expenses. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the difference is a sad indictment of our educational system. There is not even a mechanism to hand back unspent amounts, wishing for wrong doing wont make it so sorry!

I fully understand the difference between expenses and an allowance. I receive both in my job and I rinse them for all they are worth. I also avoid tax within HMRC's nicely flexible rules.

The difference being I don't then get up on a soapbox and criticise others from doing so and call for their heads.

[TKF]

Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

[mrpurple]

Guam said:

Jinx said:

Guam said:

Yes yes we have it was horsehit initially and you are back to repeating the same nonsense.

It has been pointed out by everyone that these allowances are fixed amounts all the MEP's get the same amount, it is up to the MEP how they are spent, these are not expenses. The fact that you are incapable of understanding the difference is a sad indictment of our educational system. There is not even a mechanism to hand back unspent amounts, wishing for wrong doing wont make it so sorry!

Probably can't see the difference between a reduced rate in benefits and the "Bedroom Tax".

Well I have to admit politics in this country has not been this entertaining in years, and we aren't anywhere near the actual election yet

The desperation is palpable with these guys, bring it on lets have more bks to play with

ETA from MSN
Mr Farage's mention of a separate investigation into his use of EU money that has now been dismissed refers to a complaint made by Lib Dem MEP Edward McMillan-Scott about Ukip's use of allowances after a series of reports by The Times .

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Edited by Guam on Thursday 17th April 13:34

Surely not a vexatious complaint made by the
only British Vice-President of the European Parliament?

[Zod]

Guam said:

Zod said:

Guam said:

Spot on and thats what irritates the fanboys of all 3 main parties, its no longer about THEM, the dialogue is moving on and they are being left behind.

No. UKIP love to spin that message, but it's just not true. UKIP harms the Conservatives and helps Labour.

Only in your Tory heartland, elsewhere there seems to be a different picture emerging according to recent polls.

Even if you were 100% correct why should I, or any other floating voter care?

Just ignore the article, as I expected you would. It has nothing to do with the Tory heartland. It's nationwide.

I live in a LibDem seat, by the way.

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

So when Dave criticises Labour policy he's a?

[TKF]

They aren't indeterminate

Nice try

[TKF]

WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

So when Dave criticises Labour policy he's a?

>belm<

Farage was criticising Miller for abusing tax payer's money whilst his nose was in the trough full of freshly delivered gravy.

Edited by TKF on Thursday 17th April 14:04

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

Guam said:

The European Parliament said on Monday that there was no further cause to investigate Mr McMillan-Scott's claims, according to Ukip's website.

So even the EU itself reckons it is nonsense lol

Funny how someone marking their own homework always gets an A.

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician. Just that he's a hypocrite for criticising others.

So when Dave criticises Labour policy he's a?

At the risk of repeating myself I'm not saying Farage is doing anything different compared to every other politician.

Now we're getting somewhere... So why single him out?

[TKF]

Guam said:

TKF said:

They aren't indeterminate

Nice try

Yes they are, he can spend it on newspapers if he wants, and any number of indeterminate items sheesh"

ˌɪndɪˈtəːmɪnət/
adjective
adjective: indeterminate

1.
not exactly known, established, or defined.
"the carpet is an indeterminate dull shade"
synonyms: undetermined, undefined, unspecified, unfixed, unsettled, indefinite, unknown, uncounted, uncertain, unpredictable


I am going to start billing for this soon.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/0081ddfaa4/MEPs.html
General expenditure allowance
This allowance is intended to cover expenditure in the Member State of election, such as Members’ office management costs, telephone and postal charges, and the purchase, operation and maintenance of computer and telematics equipment.

[Zod]

Guam said:

I didn't ignore the article at all, really concerned about your comprehension failures, I am basing my view on the projections from the poll data broken down demographically and regionally following the debates, indeed many political commentators (including at least one article I linked to on one of these threads) drew the same conclusions based on the most recent polling, its not all about your failed bible thumping mates any more.

Show me some of this polling and show me an article more recent than February. There was a flurry of noise before the Wythenshawe by-election about Labour supporters defecting to UKIP, but not many did and there has been little on the subject since then. If you google, the articles run out in February.

[Zod]

Guam said:

Zod said:

Guam said:

I didn't ignore the article at all, really concerned about your comprehension failures, I am basing my view on the projections from the poll data broken down demographically and regionally following the debates, indeed many political commentators (including at least one article I linked to on one of these threads) drew the same conclusions based on the most recent polling, its not all about your failed bible thumping mates any more.

Show me some of this polling and show me an article more recent than February. There was a flurry of noise before the Wythenshawe by-election about Labour supporters defecting to UKIP, but not many did and there has been little on the subject since then. If you google, the articles run out in February.

Dear god Zod (like that) I posted links to them before, I will not go find them again because you cant keep up, I have spent too much time featherbedding sloppy debaters like you on various threads who don't do their own research, You gov and others published a lot of data following the debates it is easily found, get off your arse and go find it.

Can't back up your assertions with even one recent article or poll. Shame.

[TKF]

Guam said:

Zod said:

Guam said:

I didn't ignore the article at all, really concerned about your comprehension failures, I am basing my view on the projections from the poll data broken down demographically and regionally following the debates, indeed many political commentators (including at least one article I linked to on one of these threads) drew the same conclusions based on the most recent polling, its not all about your failed bible thumping mates any more.

Show me some of this polling and show me an article more recent than February. There was a flurry of noise before the Wythenshawe by-election about Labour supporters defecting to UKIP, but not many did and there has been little on the subject since then. If you google, the articles run out in February.

Dear god Zod (like that) I posted links to them before, I will not go find them again because you cant keep up, I have spent too much time featherbedding sloppy debaters like you on various threads who don't do their own research, You gov and others published a lot of data following the debates it is easily found, get off your arse and go find it.

Now there is a lesson in sloppy debating.

[10 Pence Short]

Guam said:

And the two statements are not exclusive, they don't have to account for them therefore uncounted therefore indeterminate (clearly like your reasoning capabilities I am beginning to suspect)

The money is not salary or given to the MEP for any purpose he so chooses. It is expressly for the purposes laid out by the EU. That they do not require itemisation does not mean it is provided no-strings-attached.

[Esseesse]

TKF said:

Guam said:

TKF said:

They aren't indeterminate

Nice try

Yes they are, he can spend it on newspapers if he wants, and any number of indeterminate items sheesh"

ˌɪndɪˈtəːmɪnət/
adjective
adjective: indeterminate

1.
not exactly known, established, or defined.
"the carpet is an indeterminate dull shade"
synonyms: undetermined, undefined, unspecified, unfixed, unsettled, indefinite, unknown, uncounted, uncertain, unpredictable


I am going to start billing for this soon.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/0081ddfaa4/MEPs.html
General expenditure allowance
This allowance is intended to cover expenditure in the Member State of election, such as Members’ office management costs, telephone and postal charges, and the purchase, operation and maintenance of computer and telematics equipment.

Did he say his office cost about £700 in bills etc, so £8400?

A 'computer and telematics equipment' is pretty indeterminate.

Maybe he got himself a new iPhone and a 4G contract. That's easily £1500, before the roaming charges whilst in Brussels.

Maybe he bought himself a new Mac Pro, if you max out the spec it's easy to exceed £8000. Just a Macbook Pro can be nearly £3k! If he's sensible he'll have some backup/recovery solution too (or two), easy to spend the thick end of £1k on a Synology and some hard drives.

What happens when the windows need replacing on the office? Or the gloss paint wants doing? Or the boiler packs up? Surely this allowance must cover these scenarios too? Seems quite easy to me for it to be used without having to go bonkers.

Edited by Esseesse on Thursday 17th April 15:06

[TKF]

Esseesse said:

A 'computer and telematics equipment' is pretty indeterminate.

Not really.

In fact I'd say it's the exact opposite of indeterminate.