Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough
Discussion
jogon said:
They must be running out of steam on the Farage bashing if that is all they can come up with.
It just shows what a corrupt system they have created with the EU.
With no other alternative do they not realise they are only poking the UKIP fire.
Farage is so concerned with the EU gravy train, he chose to enrole in a secretive pension scheme, at great cost to our own taxpayers, for what purpose?It just shows what a corrupt system they have created with the EU.
With no other alternative do they not realise they are only poking the UKIP fire.
10 Pence Short said:
Farage is so concerned with the EU gravy train, he chose to enrole in a secretive pension scheme, at great cost to our own taxpayers, for what purpose?
Which other party has guaranteed an in-out referendum on the EU with no ifs or buts?! What do the others, who have also signed up to this horrendously expensive pension scheme, say on the matter?
Shirley you should be telling us how great the EU is for our national sovereignty and rule of law and the benefits of uncontrolled low skilled immigration on our schools, nhs and housing.
Rather than showing us further articles on just how much money we as a tax payer waste on this loony Union.
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Guam said:
Because he could and is entitled to a pension perhaps?
PS cant be that secretive if we are discussing it on here, can it?
If you say you are committed to ending wasteful EU spending, it stands to reason you would practise what you preach and avoid perpetuating non-essential spending.PS cant be that secretive if we are discussing it on here, can it?
Around half our MEPs choose not to enrole on the scheme. We know some decide not to on the basis it is poor value for the tax payer.
Our Nige doesn't seem to mind non-essential EU spending, as long as it's going into his back pocket.
Guam said:
He has stated it should be cut and wants the EU to end, refreshingly his position runs counter to his own interests once more, yet that is being spun into an attack. The word that springs to mind here is "desperation".
!!He says he wants it cut. His action is to carry on accepting it. It's entirely optional.
If he wants it cut, and is happy for it to be cut, why did he enrole in it in the first place?
He says one thing, does another.
So over half of senior Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrats benefit from this secretive, heavily subsidised EU second pension scheme.
And the Telegraph has a headline that says
'Nigel Farage among MEPs to benefit from EU second pension scheme'
To those just by-passing this headline they will think 'ah Nige on the make again'.
Another headline to mislead, that simply PROVES Farage has them all worried. The Telegraph included!
They ain't going to stop the UKIP train rolling. We've had enough, it's that simple.
And the Telegraph has a headline that says
'Nigel Farage among MEPs to benefit from EU second pension scheme'
To those just by-passing this headline they will think 'ah Nige on the make again'.
Another headline to mislead, that simply PROVES Farage has them all worried. The Telegraph included!
They ain't going to stop the UKIP train rolling. We've had enough, it's that simple.
10 Pence Short said:
On what basis do you think Farage's position is not hypocritical?
I'm struggling with your position on all this?are you in favor of the EU then? - along with all it's benefits/gravy train?
so the first person to actively work to get the UK out of it, and your going on about hypocrisy?
so, he is working as an MEP, but you think he should not be paid or have a pension as that's hypocritical? just how do you propose he should support himself and his family now and when he retires?
which part of this is just a sad, predictable tabloid attack on somebody do you not get?
fine to bring up this story as an anti-EU gravy train one, but to pick out an individual and try and blacken them on the back of it is basically just transparent political b
ks.I though you have more intelligence than that?
Scuffers said:
I'm struggling with your position on all this?
are you in favor of the EU then? - along with all it's benefits/gravy train?
so the first person to actively work to get the UK out of it, and your going on about hypocrisy?
so, he is working as an MEP, but you think he should not be paid or have a pension as that's hypocritical? just how do you propose he should support himself and his family now and when he retires?
which part of this is just a sad, predictable tabloid attack on somebody do you not get?
fine to bring up this story as an anti-EU gravy train one, but to pick out an individual and try and blacken them on the back of it is basically just transparent political bks.
I though you have more intelligence than that?
I am in favour of people doing what they say, rather than saying one thing whilst doing another.are you in favor of the EU then? - along with all it's benefits/gravy train?
so the first person to actively work to get the UK out of it, and your going on about hypocrisy?
so, he is working as an MEP, but you think he should not be paid or have a pension as that's hypocritical? just how do you propose he should support himself and his family now and when he retires?
which part of this is just a sad, predictable tabloid attack on somebody do you not get?
fine to bring up this story as an anti-EU gravy train one, but to pick out an individual and try and blacken them on the back of it is basically just transparent political b
ks.I though you have more intelligence than that?
The pension in question is separate and optional and quite rightly leaves the EU open to accusations of gravytraining.
You would expect that, considering UKIP's public stance on the EU and profligacy, their MEP's would avoid taking money that's the precise type of spending and behaviour they are so critical of.
Yet, even whilst snuffling in the trough and taking every morsal, Farage is saying he doesn't like the food.
I don't tend to believe him.
10 Pence Short said:
I am in favour of people doing what they say, rather than saying one thing whilst doing another.
The pension in question is separate and optional and quite rightly leaves the EU open to accusations of gravytraining.
You would expect that, considering UKIP's public stance on the EU and profligacy, their MEP's would avoid taking money that's the precise type of spending and behaviour they are so critical of.
Yet, even whilst snuffling in the trough and taking every morsal, Farage is saying he doesn't like the food.
I don't tend to believe him.
so, you expect him to live on buttons and be a destitute pensioner in later life?The pension in question is separate and optional and quite rightly leaves the EU open to accusations of gravytraining.
You would expect that, considering UKIP's public stance on the EU and profligacy, their MEP's would avoid taking money that's the precise type of spending and behaviour they are so critical of.
Yet, even whilst snuffling in the trough and taking every morsal, Farage is saying he doesn't like the food.
I don't tend to believe him.
if we go back to your way of thinking, only the rich would be able to stand for MP/MEP like in the good-old-days?
Scuffers said:
so, you expect him to live on buttons and be a destitute pensioner in later life?
if we go back to your way of thinking, only the rich would be able to stand for MP/MEP like in the good-old-days?
Why do you think Farage would be destitute if he didn't take this additional, tax payer funded, gold plated pension?if we go back to your way of thinking, only the rich would be able to stand for MP/MEP like in the good-old-days?
He already has the normal MEP pension, salary and expenses.
In any case, principles are rarely free. If you attack the EU for profligate behaviour, you should not then perpetuate it.
10 Pence Short said:
Why do you think Farage would be destitute if he didn't take this additional, tax payer funded, gold plated pension?
He already has the normal MEP pension, salary and expenses.
In any case, principles are rarely free. If you attack the EU for profligate behaviour, you should not then perpetuate it.
so, in that case, you better vote for him to be an MP and pull us out of the EU then, problem solved!He already has the normal MEP pension, salary and expenses.
In any case, principles are rarely free. If you attack the EU for profligate behaviour, you should not then perpetuate it.
Guam said:
10 Pence Short said:
On what basis do you think Farage's position is not hypocritical?
I don't know whether it is or it isn't, perhaps if you dug out the facts I questioned you on, the picture could be clearer, off you go and find them, you may change my view?He has a separate MEP pension. This pension is an additional, optional one. He could have easily said "Nope, this pension is just the kind of EU gravytrain I am here to rail against". But he didn't say that. He said "Please pay it into this bank account please".
Can you think of any personal financial gains Farage has turned down from the EU?
Guam said:
So he cant voluntarily reduce the amount he gets then (a bit like the allowances)? It is you are saying either in or out? I would think it not unreasonable after 15 years (iirc) of public service he would be entitled to the best pension available?
Ministers get extra pension in parliament, should that be eliminated?
He, like other MEPs, takes the normal pension. In addition, he accepts the voluntary, opt-in, gold-plated one that offers to pay in 200% more than he puts in (He puts in £900, the EU put in £1900). Ministers get extra pension in parliament, should that be eliminated?
Other MEPs from other parties have chosen not to take it, as it is against their principles.
Yet the for Farage, he chooses to take it, as this kind of profligacy is somehow not against his principles, despite it being the exact kind of spending he rallies against.
Guam said:
not sure what your point is?
The point is simple; the EU are offering their MEPs an optional, additional pension, funded by the tax payer, that is far, far more beneficial than those available to other public servants or private individuals. It is funded in the majority by tax payers, with those from the UK alone having contributed £100m so far and likely to require another £170m + in the next 12 years due to a big back hole in the finances (so that's a third of a billion pounds to support less than 40 UK MEPs who take advantage of the scheme.This is precisely the kind of dodgy spending that UKIP and Farage say is wasteful and expensive.
Yet Farage has opted to receive this optional pension on top of his normal MEP one, despite it representing the opposite of everything he says he stands for.
10 Pence Short said:
Why do you think Farage would be destitute if he didn't take this additional, tax payer funded, gold plated pension?
He already has the normal MEP pension, salary and expenses.
In any case, principles are rarely free. If you attack the EU for profligate behaviour, you should not then perpetuate it.
Farage is doing more to represent his constituents in the EU than any other mep I can think of. So why is it wrong for him to be paid but not the others?He already has the normal MEP pension, salary and expenses.
In any case, principles are rarely free. If you attack the EU for profligate behaviour, you should not then perpetuate it.
Guam it's a contributory additional voluntary contribution scheme where members own contributions are topped up, to put it mildly, by the EU.
The scheme is, like most other schemes, in deficit and is closed to new members.
The actuarial liability pales into insignificance compared to, for instance, many UK public sector schemes and indeed many private sector db schemes.
The scheme is, like most other schemes, in deficit and is closed to new members.
The actuarial liability pales into insignificance compared to, for instance, many UK public sector schemes and indeed many private sector db schemes.
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