Saint Nigel with his nose in the trough
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10 Pence Short said:
Then you misunderstand my argument. I criticise Farage for saying one thing and doing another. Whether I agree with the pension provisions is irrelevant to the point.
As for childcare- I applaud the government for promoting retraining and education.
"Farage could be found on live TV with a dead priest on his dick and 24 box files full of child porn and proof of tax evasion and it would all be some kind of non story / establishment conspiracy against him.".....seriously good critiquing technique there old chap.As for childcare- I applaud the government for promoting retraining and education.
As for childcare grants...... as I said before......... wasn't something that existed when I did my degree aged 38 so I had to do all sorts of low paid jobs like taxi driving etc to keep a roof over my head, 4 kids fed and watered etc etc and the OH wasn't too keen on being seen in an old Fiat 500 either.
mrpurple said:
As for childcare grants...... as I said before......... wasn't something that existed when I did my degree aged 38 so I had to do all sorts of low paid jobs like taxi driving etc to keep a roof over my head, 4 kids fed and watered etc etc and the OH wasn't too keen on being seen in an old Fiat 500 either.
What is the relevance of this?Are you saying that because the government of the time didn't offer you child care support, nobody now should have it? Or that they should offer it, but people who take it are wrong to do so?
What is your point?
10 Pence Short said:
mrpurple said:
As for childcare grants...... as I said before......... wasn't something that existed when I did my degree aged 38 so I had to do all sorts of low paid jobs like taxi driving etc to keep a roof over my head, 4 kids fed and watered etc etc and the OH wasn't too keen on being seen in an old Fiat 500 either.
What is the relevance of this?Are you saying that because the government of the time didn't offer you child care support, nobody now should have it? Or that they should offer it, but people who take it are wrong to do so?
What is your point?
TBH why should you get benefits when your OH can earn enough to pay 40% tax whilst you choose to get a belated education?...we all make choices in life and that is fine but I don't think your choices should be subsidised by benefits....they should only be for people that are in desperate need for them and not those that see them as a lifestyle choice...........you included.
ps I have no idea how this equates with UKIP policy of NF's views.
HarryW said:
10 Pence Short at 03:57 on bank holiday monday said:
Yet another example of Farage saying he stands for one thing, yet his actions contradicting him;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
10PS I assume you are are the other side of the pond to be posting that early in the morning, or are you shift working in the UK, I pray it isn't as part of one of the big 3's 24/7 press offices though http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
busted by your own missus.10 Pence Short said:
...one that offers to pay in 200% more than he puts in (He puts in £900, the EU put in £1900).
Sorry to pick you up on this but they are paying in about 110% more, not 200% (200% more would be £2700). My company would also pay such an amount if I could afford it. This thread is confused.
Having been involved in a couple of start-up companies selling disruptive medical technologies, I see many similarities between the fledgling companies I have worked for and UKIP.
I am going to write more on this subject, but if anyone has read 'Crossing the Chasm', then you will know what I will be talking about.
Having been involved in a couple of start-up companies selling disruptive medical technologies, I see many similarities between the fledgling companies I have worked for and UKIP.
I am going to write more on this subject, but if anyone has read 'Crossing the Chasm', then you will know what I will be talking about.
Taking a simplistic view of Farage, UKIP and expenses or allowances. I think it is funny, the mainstream parties and media are so scared of him raising issues that they dare not speak of so are hell bent on throwing as much mud as possible.
I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
gottans said:
Taking a simplistic view of Farage, UKIP and expenses or allowances. I think it is funny, the mainstream parties and media are so scared of him raising issues that they dare not speak of so are hell bent on throwing as much mud as possible.
I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
just to pick up on this one, I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
you would vote to put him back in EU where in reality he can do very little, but not asd a UK MP where he could actually make a difference?
what have I missed?
Scuffers said:
gottans said:
Taking a simplistic view of Farage, UKIP and expenses or allowances. I think it is funny, the mainstream parties and media are so scared of him raising issues that they dare not speak of so are hell bent on throwing as much mud as possible.
I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
just to pick up on this one, I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
you would vote to put him back in EU where in reality he can do very little, but not asd a UK MP where he could actually make a difference?
what have I missed?
greygoose said:
Scuffers said:
gottans said:
Taking a simplistic view of Farage, UKIP and expenses or allowances. I think it is funny, the mainstream parties and media are so scared of him raising issues that they dare not speak of so are hell bent on throwing as much mud as possible.
I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
just to pick up on this one, I think he is raising issues that need to be discussed and this story is just a distraction or mis-direction to the electorate.
I think I would vote UKIP for the EU elections because the EU needs a dose of reality but wouldn't vote for him in a UK election.
you would vote to put him back in EU where in reality he can do very little, but not asd a UK MP where he could actually make a difference?
what have I missed?
Completely avoided the issue that the European Parliament, and thus MEPs have no power, cannot change nor introduce legislation, they are simply a mechanism to rubber stamp decisions by unelected bureaucrats in the Commission.
There is either a complete logic fail amongst many of the pro EU faction, or just unwillingness to look at things objectively.
To be fair, in/out is not a clear decision looking at things from a distance, but hellfire, so much wrong and no power to put it right.
FiF said:
MEPs have no power, cannot change nor introduce legislation, they are simply a mechanism to rubber stamp decisions by unelected bureaucrats in the Commission.
For the EU Commission, MEP's also usefully protect them from the electorate. For the average person they get to vote for an MEP and are therefore satisfied that the system is at least somewhat fair just because they got a vote, they don't realise or question that anyone they vote for is powerless.Esseesse said:
FiF said:
MEPs have no power, cannot change nor introduce legislation, they are simply a mechanism to rubber stamp decisions by unelected bureaucrats in the Commission.
For the EU Commission, MEP's also usefully protect them from the electorate. For the average person they get to vote for an MEP and are therefore satisfied that the system is at least somewhat fair just because they got a vote, they don't realise or question that anyone they vote for is powerless.By refusing to debate the issues, I think the main parties are complicit in keeping the public in the dark. For example their campaign costs for he EU election are expected to be relatively insignificant. UKIP spending will probably exceed Tory and Labour spend.
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