Terrible ferry tragedy off South Korea
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
Yes, I have unquestionably authentic photographic proof of Nige sawing a big round hole in the bottom of the boat whilst pocketing bundles of looted cash and snorting primo Columbian off Kate Middleton's bumcrack. Cue 97 pages of "It's just an Establishment Smear".
270 dead kids, is this really the thread for it?MarshPhantom said:
Having been on the old Speedferries boat waiting to get into Dover in rotten weather - the boat was getting tossed around so much that people on board started screaming, I'm glad they no longer use the smaller boats on the Channel crossing.
Is that a small cat? I guess that could take a lot more before turning over than a conventional ship.
Beati Dogu said:
High school kids, so ages 15-18.
Seems hard to imagine a bunch of British kids of the same age would just sit there playing with their mobile phones while the ship is obviously sinking, because some authority figure said so.
I disagree. As gobby as kids can be, even British ones when out of their comfort zone, instructed by an authority that is a stranger will do as they're told. And I wouldn't be surprised if South Korean children (more conservative/old fashioned than here?), from a good enough background to be going on a school trip on a ferry to an island would follow orders more easily than those from the UK. Young men are those that challenge authority (riots, revolutions etc).Seems hard to imagine a bunch of British kids of the same age would just sit there playing with their mobile phones while the ship is obviously sinking, because some authority figure said so.
Esseesse said:
MarshPhantom said:
Having been on the old Speedferries boat waiting to get into Dover in rotten weather - the boat was getting tossed around so much that people on board started screaming, I'm glad they no longer use the smaller boats on the Channel crossing.
Is that a small cat? I guess that could take a lot more before turning over than a conventional ship.‘Sorry’ South Korea ferry captain details evacuation delay.
BBC said:
The captain of a South Korean ferry that sank this week said he delayed giving evacuation orders because he feared passengers would "drift away".
The captain faces charges including negligence of duty and violation of maritime law after being criticised for not giving orders to evacuate soon enough.
Investigations are focusing on a sharp turn the vessel took before it started listing and whether an evacuation order could have saved lives.
Footage from the ship appeared to show instructions from crew members for passengers to remain onboard even as it tilted dramatically to one side.
"I am sorry to the people of South Korea for causing a disturbance and I bow my head in apology to the families of the victims," he said.
"I gave instructions regarding the route, then I briefly went to the bedroom and then [the sinking] happened" he said.
"The current was very strong, the temperature of the ocean water was cold, and I thought that if people left the ferry without proper judgement, if they were not wearing a life jacket, and even if they were, they would drift away and face many other difficulties." he said.
He added that rescue boats had not arrived at the time of capsizing.
The helmsman at the time, Cho Joon-ki, was also among those arrested. He said that the ship reacted differently to what he had expected.
"There was a mistake on my behalf as well but the steering [gear of the ship] turned further than it was supposed to," he told reporters.
According to documents seen by the Associated Press news agency, maritime safety officials recommended a full evacuation of the ship five minutes after a distress call was raised.
But a crew member told the agency that it took the captain 30 minutes to issue the order.
Some experts believe the ship's tight turn could have dislodged heavy cargo and destabilised the vessel, while others suggest the sinking could have been caused by a collision with a rock.
Full Article.The captain faces charges including negligence of duty and violation of maritime law after being criticised for not giving orders to evacuate soon enough.
Investigations are focusing on a sharp turn the vessel took before it started listing and whether an evacuation order could have saved lives.
Footage from the ship appeared to show instructions from crew members for passengers to remain onboard even as it tilted dramatically to one side.
"I am sorry to the people of South Korea for causing a disturbance and I bow my head in apology to the families of the victims," he said.
"I gave instructions regarding the route, then I briefly went to the bedroom and then [the sinking] happened" he said.
"The current was very strong, the temperature of the ocean water was cold, and I thought that if people left the ferry without proper judgement, if they were not wearing a life jacket, and even if they were, they would drift away and face many other difficulties." he said.
He added that rescue boats had not arrived at the time of capsizing.
The helmsman at the time, Cho Joon-ki, was also among those arrested. He said that the ship reacted differently to what he had expected.
"There was a mistake on my behalf as well but the steering [gear of the ship] turned further than it was supposed to," he told reporters.
According to documents seen by the Associated Press news agency, maritime safety officials recommended a full evacuation of the ship five minutes after a distress call was raised.
But a crew member told the agency that it took the captain 30 minutes to issue the order.
Some experts believe the ship's tight turn could have dislodged heavy cargo and destabilised the vessel, while others suggest the sinking could have been caused by a collision with a rock.
According to a report the vessel was delayed in one of the ports she was visiting.These ships follow the coast to the destination and they took a different route to make up time.Hit the rocks at speed unfortunately.
The vessel is also a car carrier and there won't have been any bulkheads in between the cars.After the Enterprise sank that has never changed,to expensive and the vessel carries less cars.Plus ship building in that part of the world is from a different spec.You don't need much water on any car deck for a ferry to turn over.If I am wrong maybe a expert can put me right in case.
The vessel is also a car carrier and there won't have been any bulkheads in between the cars.After the Enterprise sank that has never changed,to expensive and the vessel carries less cars.Plus ship building in that part of the world is from a different spec.You don't need much water on any car deck for a ferry to turn over.If I am wrong maybe a expert can put me right in case.
Esseesse said:
Beati Dogu said:
High school kids, so ages 15-18.
Seems hard to imagine a bunch of British kids of the same age would just sit there playing with their mobile phones while the ship is obviously sinking, because some authority figure said so.
I disagree. As gobby as kids can be, even British ones when out of their comfort zone, instructed by an authority that is a stranger will do as they're told. And I wouldn't be surprised if South Korean children (more conservative/old fashioned than here?), from a good enough background to be going on a school trip on a ferry to an island would follow orders more easily than those from the UK. Young men are those that challenge authority (riots, revolutions etc).Seems hard to imagine a bunch of British kids of the same age would just sit there playing with their mobile phones while the ship is obviously sinking, because some authority figure said so.
Foppo said:
...Plus ship building in that part of the world is from a different spec...
Different to where? South Korea is a major shipbuilding nation, and builds vessels and containers for use all over the place, presumably building to whatever spec is requested by the customer/conforms with applicable regs. Not that many ships are built in the UK anymore.So it turned too abruptly shifting cargo and capsized. Yes?
Not knowing how ships work; is it possible for a load to shift at the rear (stern?) and push the boat into a tighter turn than was expected?
Unless you physically see the cargo and strap it down yourself you're sailing/driving blind.
Same as those sea-containers boxes on trucks. How often do you see them tipped over because the load had shifted, and to a lesser extent also normal truck trailers?
Not knowing how ships work; is it possible for a load to shift at the rear (stern?) and push the boat into a tighter turn than was expected?
Unless you physically see the cargo and strap it down yourself you're sailing/driving blind.
Same as those sea-containers boxes on trucks. How often do you see them tipped over because the load had shifted, and to a lesser extent also normal truck trailers?
V8 Fettler said:
Foppo said:
The Sewol was build in 1994 by Hayasshikane Dockyard Nagasaki.
6586 grt.and 145 meters long.
Type Passenger /Ro Ro Ship. (Vehicles)
Modified with extra decks at a later date apparently, did it have a nautical SVA?6586 grt.and 145 meters long.
Type Passenger /Ro Ro Ship. (Vehicles)
McWigglebum4th said:
XJ Flyer said:
So in this case you're saying that you'd have preferred to take your chances by staying inside the ship,than wait outside on deck until it's obvious that it's going over in which case it's time to jump into those 'thousands of miles of death'.As for me I've been travelling on ships regularly since the 1970's including trans Atlantic ironically three of which were the Juliana which became the Moby Prince,the Herald,and the Boccaccio.In all cases I can guarantee that I wouldn't be waiting inside on a burning or sinking ship for a crew member to tell me to get out.
You are the expertI'm just the idiot that worked on ships for 20 years.
But this idiot would stay with the ship as long as posible.
But as an expert passneger i am sure you know where the emergency control center is and what all those pretty lights and buttons mean and do.
I've actually been in a very touch and go situation on a thai ferry that later saw me evacuated off of our island by thai naval aircraft carrier as they were the only ones that could get near us with the sea state the way it was!
I was going to collect the Mrs from the airport at Koh Samui and it was bad on the way to collect her, so decided on the way back I'd sit at the seat closest to the rear emergency exit.
2 days later and the weather had turned worse and worse and so did the sea state, although all other ferries were cancelled, the lompriyah catamaran one was still running, we got on and it was packed as all other services were closed, typically for thai H&S rules there were more people onboard than I'd have cared to have seen and at the start everyone on board was laughing and joking and cheering while the boat got tossed about a bit.
what surprised me was the ferry didnt slow down as we got into more open water, the loud droning of the engines and the momentum of the ferry never slowed for a second as I expected when we started to pitch about.
..as we headed into more open water the front of the boat started going under the waves and people quickly shut up.
..it got worse and I genuinely started to put together my things to bail at the first sign the front wasnt going to come up again, the silence was followed by the odd scream which descended into lots of barfing and lots of screaming and clenched butts!
Thankfully we made it but it was probably the least pleasant hour of my life and I've had some pretty unpleasant times, infact come to think of it I'm a bit of a walking disaster zone, if I'm not flying into tropical storms I'm in hospital dying!
Personally I'd never have stayed inside that ferry as soon as it stopped I'd have been on deck, screw waiting around for some numpty to give me permission!
I feel very sad at the thought of so many lives being lost needlessly, it also gives me the heebie geebies too!
I was going to collect the Mrs from the airport at Koh Samui and it was bad on the way to collect her, so decided on the way back I'd sit at the seat closest to the rear emergency exit.
2 days later and the weather had turned worse and worse and so did the sea state, although all other ferries were cancelled, the lompriyah catamaran one was still running, we got on and it was packed as all other services were closed, typically for thai H&S rules there were more people onboard than I'd have cared to have seen and at the start everyone on board was laughing and joking and cheering while the boat got tossed about a bit.
what surprised me was the ferry didnt slow down as we got into more open water, the loud droning of the engines and the momentum of the ferry never slowed for a second as I expected when we started to pitch about.
..as we headed into more open water the front of the boat started going under the waves and people quickly shut up.
..it got worse and I genuinely started to put together my things to bail at the first sign the front wasnt going to come up again, the silence was followed by the odd scream which descended into lots of barfing and lots of screaming and clenched butts!
Thankfully we made it but it was probably the least pleasant hour of my life and I've had some pretty unpleasant times, infact come to think of it I'm a bit of a walking disaster zone, if I'm not flying into tropical storms I'm in hospital dying!
Personally I'd never have stayed inside that ferry as soon as it stopped I'd have been on deck, screw waiting around for some numpty to give me permission!
I feel very sad at the thought of so many lives being lost needlessly, it also gives me the heebie geebies too!
TobyLaRohne said:
I've actually been in a very touch and go situation on a thai ferry that later saw me evacuated off of our island by thai naval aircraft carrier as they were the only ones that could get near us with the sea state the way it was!
I was going to collect the Mrs from the airport at Koh Samui and it was bad on the way to collect her, so decided on the way back I'd sit at the seat closest to the rear emergency exit.
2 days later and the weather had turned worse and worse and so did the sea state, although all other ferries were cancelled, the lompriyah catamaran one was still running, we got on and it was packed as all other services were closed, typically for thai H&S rules there were more people onboard than I'd have cared to have seen and at the start everyone on board was laughing and joking and cheering while the boat got tossed about a bit.
what surprised me was the ferry didnt slow down as we got into more open water, the loud droning of the engines and the momentum of the ferry never slowed for a second as I expected when we started to pitch about.
..as we headed into more open water the front of the boat started going under the waves and people quickly shut up.
..it got worse and I genuinely started to put together my things to bail at the first sign the front wasnt going to come up again, the silence was followed by the odd scream which descended into lots of barfing and lots of screaming and clenched butts!
Thankfully we made it but it was probably the least pleasant hour of my life and I've had some pretty unpleasant times, infact come to think of it I'm a bit of a walking disaster zone, if I'm not flying into tropical storms I'm in hospital dying!
Personally I'd never have stayed inside that ferry as soon as it stopped I'd have been on deck, screw waiting around for some numpty to give me permission!
I feel very sad at the thought of so many lives being lost needlessly, it also gives me the heebie geebies too!
Same happened to me and a mate but on the smaller speedboat from Ko Phangan to Ko Samui. I was going to collect the Mrs from the airport at Koh Samui and it was bad on the way to collect her, so decided on the way back I'd sit at the seat closest to the rear emergency exit.
2 days later and the weather had turned worse and worse and so did the sea state, although all other ferries were cancelled, the lompriyah catamaran one was still running, we got on and it was packed as all other services were closed, typically for thai H&S rules there were more people onboard than I'd have cared to have seen and at the start everyone on board was laughing and joking and cheering while the boat got tossed about a bit.
what surprised me was the ferry didnt slow down as we got into more open water, the loud droning of the engines and the momentum of the ferry never slowed for a second as I expected when we started to pitch about.
..as we headed into more open water the front of the boat started going under the waves and people quickly shut up.
..it got worse and I genuinely started to put together my things to bail at the first sign the front wasnt going to come up again, the silence was followed by the odd scream which descended into lots of barfing and lots of screaming and clenched butts!
Thankfully we made it but it was probably the least pleasant hour of my life and I've had some pretty unpleasant times, infact come to think of it I'm a bit of a walking disaster zone, if I'm not flying into tropical storms I'm in hospital dying!
Personally I'd never have stayed inside that ferry as soon as it stopped I'd have been on deck, screw waiting around for some numpty to give me permission!
I feel very sad at the thought of so many lives being lost needlessly, it also gives me the heebie geebies too!
Proper scary. The pilot and his mate looked proper s
t scared plus the smell of petrol made many people sick. The pilot was cutting the engine at the tip of the wave then we'd know it was the stomach flipping drop to the bottom and repeat for two hours!My mate was drugged up (prescription) and just laughed as he flew up into the air by two feet and slammed back down again.
Two weeks later the same boat capsized and many people were lost.
I just googled it and it appears that wasn't the only incident!
Edited by GTIR on Sunday 20th April 13:51
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