Food banks - what is the real story

[edh]

wolves_wanderer said:

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Evasion, 1/10

I know, I'm bad at evading a question, I'd make a bad politician. You'd get 9.5/10 though!

Even the Trussell Trust agrees


Fishing lessons for everyone!

Not "forced" though as you suggested is it?

And just mirrors what I described at CAB. It's normal practice

[wolves_wanderer]

markcoznottz said:

But loads have smart phones nearly new cars blah blah, it's an old circular argument. The fostering of an asset rich cash poor society will always risk people falling through the gaps. The savings culture was destroyed from 2000-2007. Partisan comments that food banks barely existed during the new lab years is not helpful, considering they never had to suffer the consequences of their actions, it was a case of £200m qe, and pass the 'sorting out' to an incoming government. Nice.

Have you spent a lot of time at foodbanks? I haven't but your assumption about smartphones and new cars sounds wrong to me. I would be interested if you have evidence or experience to support such an assertion.

[Snozzwangler]

wolves_wanderer said:

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Evasion, 1/10

I know, I'm bad at evading a question, I'd make a bad politician. You'd get 9.5/10 though!

Even the Trussell Trust agrees


Fishing lessons for everyone!

Not "forced" though as you suggested is it?

9.75/10 for evasion!

You test the theory, then impose it.

So, do you think it should be enforced?

I'm waiting for you to do the 'Miliband dodge' again

[Du1point8]

edh said:

Du1point8 said:

I want you to go and find out how many of these people that are now using food banks coincide with the masses of uncontrolled immigration the UK now has... Want to bet that the numbers somehow are getting close to matching up with EU people coming to the UK with nothing looking for a better hand out?

I really don't have time to scan the foodbank vouchers log for "foreign sounding" names when I'm next in. Most EU migrants are working though. My experience & gut feel says you're wrong.

You do see plenty of non-UK citizens at CAB, but not surprising really as they often need help to understand the workings of government and commercial organisations, and struggle to get redress when things go wrong.

typical... don't have the time to have a look, but your experience and gut says Im wrong.

Excellent debate, I ask a legitimate query and its dismissed and side stepped.

[Snozzwangler]

Du1pont8 - SNAP!

[bitchstewie]

wolves_wanderer said:

Not "forced" though as you suggested is it?

Do you not think that there is an argument that if it isn't, perhaps it should be if you're a "frequent visitor"?

Simply throwing cash or food at people for months or years doesn't fix anything in the long term, it just helps makes people dependent.

[edh]

markcoznottz said:

Partisan comments that food banks barely existed during the new lab years is not helpful...

I was responding to an "unhelpful" partisan comment on Tories vs Labour

[Justayellowbadge]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

There are?

Which ones?

[wolves_wanderer]

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Evasion, 1/10

I know, I'm bad at evading a question, I'd make a bad politician. You'd get 9.5/10 though!

Even the Trussell Trust agrees


Fishing lessons for everyone!

Not "forced" though as you suggested is it?

9.75/10 for evasion!

You test the theory, then impose it.

So, do you think it should be enforced?

I'm waiting for you to do the 'Miliband dodge' again

It seems like a usual and sensible thing to do. Your obsession with enforcing it rather than letting the charities get on with it leads naturally to the question of who should be enforcing how a charity spends it's resources. I assume a governmental body, which then leads back to my original question of who is paying?

[wolves_wanderer]

Du1point8 said:

typical... don't have the time to have a look, but your experience and gut says Im wrong.

Excellent debate, I ask a legitimate query and its dismissed and side stepped.

What did you notice when you were helping out?

[edh]

Du1point8 said:

typical... don't have the time to have a look, but your experience and gut says Im wrong.

Excellent debate, I ask a legitimate query and its dismissed and side stepped.

If you'd like to make a donation to my CAB (how about £50?) I'll do some analysis for you, as long as I'm allowed access to the data. Otherwise my time there is best spent helping people who need it.

My experience beats your lack of it though...

[Du1point8]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I ask the question because I want to know...

Im not just simply saying your wrong and its all chancers that found out food banks exist, so I believe that they are just there for the free handouts.

Im not even going to have a look at the 950k visitors (300k are children) quoted and suggest its bks and that they are counting everyone, so its possibly only 300- 400k people as people would go together and they are counting the 300k of children that go with their parents just to inflate figures.

Come across with some decent answers with evidence to back up your rubbish answers.

[Snozzwangler]

wolves_wanderer said:

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Snozzwangler said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Evasion, 1/10

I know, I'm bad at evading a question, I'd make a bad politician. You'd get 9.5/10 though!

Even the Trussell Trust agrees


Fishing lessons for everyone!

Not "forced" though as you suggested is it?

9.75/10 for evasion!

You test the theory, then impose it.

So, do you think it should be enforced?

I'm waiting for you to do the 'Miliband dodge' again

It seems like a usual and sensible thing to do. Your obsession with enforcing it rather than letting the charities get on with it leads naturally to the question of who should be enforcing how a charity spends it's resources. I assume a governmental body, which then leads back to my original question of who is paying?

It took a while, but we got there!

The simple assertion would be, there are x people using foodbanks because of inefficient spending (before you get all uppity, no not all users), if you sort that then the need for FBs is less, lowering the charities requirements. If it works, why not enforce it?

I know I'm going to be daring here... but brace yourself...

It could be that the intervention via financial education there could actually lead to wiser spending, even a movement towards resolution of the issues resulting in the need for that person to use the FB... which would then result, over time, in a lower benefit bill.

Hell...


Where do I run for PM!

[wolves_wanderer]

Snozzwangler said:

It took a while, but we got there!

The simple assertion would be, there are x people using foodbanks because of inefficient spending (before you get all uppity, no not all users), if you sort that then the need for FBs is less, lowering the charities requirements. If it works, why not enforce it?

I know I'm going to be daring here... but brace yourself...

It could be that the intervention via financial education there could actually lead to wiser spending, even a movement towards resolution of the issues resulting in the need for that person to use the FB... which would then result, over time, in a lower benefit bill.

Hell...


Where do I run for PM!

All that and your big idea is to let them carry on doing what they are doing, but with enforcement. Outstanding. Way to shrink the public sector.

[edh]

Off topic, but financial education for the masses would be a good idea - look at the mountains of personal debt & the forecasts of huge % increases over the next 5 years.

[bitchstewie]

edh said:

Off topic, but financial education for the masses would be a good idea - look at the mountains of personal debt & the forecasts of huge % increases over the next 5 years.

I thought that was part of the current curriculum?

[Du1point8]

edh said:

Off topic, but financial education for the masses would be a good idea - look at the mountains of personal debt & the forecasts of huge % increases over the next 5 years.

This was taught at many schools from a young age, we had midland bank do it, it should be brought in, then drill it in that if you can't afford it, then you don't get it, teach them how to budget any money they get to make sure it lasts until the next time, etc.

However that is not the major issue, its teaching kids responsibility for their actions that would need to be undertaken and somehow made sure they get it.

Many kids now don't care of the above as the previous generation (mine and a little older) don't give a fk as Labour gave them everything they wanted so don't need to care financially or about take responsibility their actions.

However cause the rot is there and they have had it so good, anything done to change it is met with people complaining the poor are being victimised to help the rich out.

That is complete and utter bks.

[edh]

bhstewie said:

edh said:

Off topic, but financial education for the masses would be a good idea - look at the mountains of personal debt & the forecasts of huge % increases over the next 5 years.

I thought that was part of the current curriculum?

Not if my 15 year old son is anything to go by...

[Snozzwangler]

wolves_wanderer said:

ll that and your big idea is to let them carry on doing what they are doing, but with enforcement. Outstanding. Way to shrink the public sector.

It's not been going long - read the link? 6 pilot sites Q3/4 last year, now being expanded. Not really seen the benefit yet.


You might not like this, for but some people yes - they will only listen if you make them.

Hard truth.

[bitchstewie]

edh said:

bhstewie said:

edh said:

Off topic, but financial education for the masses would be a good idea - look at the mountains of personal debt & the forecasts of huge % increases over the next 5 years.

I thought that was part of the current curriculum?

Not if my 15 year old son is anything to go by...

I guess my question would be if there is no financial education, or if there is, but you don't agree with what they teach?