7 year old, badly burnt.
Discussion
I feel very sad for this child.
But have to disagree with relatives trying to blame the council, and why did the other kids have lighters?
Sorry for the wail link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607841/Bo...
But have to disagree with relatives trying to blame the council, and why did the other kids have lighters?
Sorry for the wail link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607841/Bo...
The Daily Mail article is quite confusing:
In one part it refers to breaking into a van, but another witness saw the kids climb onto the back of a pickup - i.e. so no breaking into a van implied.
Also, the witness says his mates were chucking petrol on him (as you do..) and sparking their lighters (I of course make sure my 7 year old never leaves home without his lighter).
Later on, someone says the boy had fuel on his clothes, which somehow ignited...
Somehow? I wonder however that could have happened? I doubt they'll need Poirot for that one...
I'm sure the Council were using legit petrol cans - probably for strimmers and mowers and the like, but I am surprised they left it in the back of an open van. I'm surprised anyone would leave anything in the back of an open van unsupervised in an area like that to be honest.
Still, must be horrible for the kid's family.
Hopefully a bit of a wake up call for all who either carry, or play with petrol.
Ian
In one part it refers to breaking into a van, but another witness saw the kids climb onto the back of a pickup - i.e. so no breaking into a van implied.
Also, the witness says his mates were chucking petrol on him (as you do..) and sparking their lighters (I of course make sure my 7 year old never leaves home without his lighter).
Later on, someone says the boy had fuel on his clothes, which somehow ignited...
Somehow? I wonder however that could have happened? I doubt they'll need Poirot for that one...
I'm sure the Council were using legit petrol cans - probably for strimmers and mowers and the like, but I am surprised they left it in the back of an open van. I'm surprised anyone would leave anything in the back of an open van unsupervised in an area like that to be honest.
Still, must be horrible for the kid's family.
Hopefully a bit of a wake up call for all who either carry, or play with petrol.
Ian
Quote from the Mail report: "Another said someone handed the youngster a bucket of water, which he immediately poured over himself in a desperate attempt to put out the fire."
WTF? You see a kid on fire, and you hand him a bucket of water?
Why not just chuck the water over him yourself, and save precious seconds?
WTF? You see a kid on fire, and you hand him a bucket of water?
Why not just chuck the water over him yourself, and save precious seconds?
Tony2or4 said:
Quote from the Mail report: "Another said someone handed the youngster a bucket of water, which he immediately poured over himself in a desperate attempt to put out the fire."
WTF? You see a kid on fire, and you hand him a bucket of water?
Why not just chuck the water over him yourself, and save precious seconds?
Can't be too careful; probably afraid of getting sued for not throwing a high enough percentage on target and extinguishing the fire quickly enough. Far better to hand it to the firey kid and let him disperse the contents of the bucket appropriately since only he will know where he's hottest.WTF? You see a kid on fire, and you hand him a bucket of water?
Why not just chuck the water over him yourself, and save precious seconds?
TheEnd said:
If it's a flat bed pickup, there isn't many other places to store petrol, you certainly won't put it in the cab.
The guilty parties are the one that stole the petrol and the one that poured it on someone and set it alight.
Devil's advocate a little, but I would have expected hazardous items (bladed tools etc) to be stored in a lockable box in such a vehicle, especially if, as reported, it was being used in an area where crime is common.The guilty parties are the one that stole the petrol and the one that poured it on someone and set it alight.
Gareth79 said:
Devil's advocate a little, but I would have expected hazardous items (bladed tools etc) to be stored in a lockable box in such a vehicle, especially if, as reported, it was being used in an area where crime is common.
I've worked from pickups with petrol powered kit.It's very rare you get a lockable tool box on the back, and even if there was one, there would be 101 things for someone to kill themselves with, like trying to rob a paving slab or a kerbstone etc.
You've got to let it sit that it was petrol they stole, they knew it was petrol, they knew it was flammable and still messed about with it.
Poor parenting is the main factor, not some council guy who had no other options apart from a cab full of petrol fumes.
TheEnd said:
Gareth79 said:
Devil's advocate a little, but I would have expected hazardous items (bladed tools etc) to be stored in a lockable box in such a vehicle, especially if, as reported, it was being used in an area where crime is common.
I've worked from pickups with petrol powered kit.It's very rare you get a lockable tool box on the back, and even if there was one, there would be 101 things for someone to kill themselves with, like trying to rob a paving slab or a kerbstone etc.
You've got to let it sit that it was petrol they stole, they knew it was petrol, they knew it was flammable and still messed about with it.
Poor parenting is the main factor, not some council guy who had no other options apart from a cab full of petrol fumes.
Previous said:
I don't pretend to know too much (about anything), but Im guessing petrol is stored in the bed of a pick up so as to prevent build up of vapour inside the vehicle?
This.There are reams of documents on the control of fuels and its storage, which get even bigger when that is accessible to the public in some means.
Unfortunately some little sts tried to frighten a boy, it went bad and he is now scarred for life, meanwhile, Wont someone think of the children brigade will try to blame a poor council worker.
Thankfully as has been said, its a different world.
BBC News reporting that the child has died.
ETA link here:
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Edited by Tony2or4 on Tuesday 22 April 08:44
When I was a kid we loved playing with lighters and flammable things, it was a rite of passage. If it burned, sparked, smoked or went bang it was alright with us! I haven't grown up to be a criminal thankfully and I didn't burn myself to death either.
Forgive me if my own childhood experiences are somewhat atypical but isn't it a little wrong to speak of the boy and his family so unfairly?
Forgive me if my own childhood experiences are somewhat atypical but isn't it a little wrong to speak of the boy and his family so unfairly?
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