Byron Smith murder trial in US - wow

[Pesty]

Two theives no longer spreading misery on people. One nutter locked away hopefully for good Win win.

That wasn't self defence that was execution and wayyyy over the top.

Don't break into people's houses. Authors of their own doom.

[22s]

wolves_wanderer said:

Hopefully he gets sent down for the rest of his life. Sick fker. He wasn't defending himself, he was trying to punish them. As for leaving the corpses for a day before bothering to notify anyone, unbelievable.

Thank Christ, someone here to agree with.

The messages I have read here range from disgusting to comical. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", "they brought death upon themselves" - give me a fking break. They were 17 year-old kids who were being little sts - executing both of them is not proportional and anyone spouting such rubbish needs to take a step back and understand these are two kids who have been killed. Do any of you sad acts even remember what it was like being 17? You're a kid; an immature kid in the transition to adulthood. You don't always think about the consequences of your actions - but in years to come you look back and cringe/feel remorseful about what they have done. Unfortunately, they won't get that chance.

These threads and the comments under the article make me wonder what the people who say these things online are like in real life - no doubt sad individuals with no social skills or common sense who will end up living like Smith. Utterly depressing.

[Grumfutock]

22s said:

Thank Christ, someone here to agree with.

The messages I have read here range from disgusting to comical. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", "they brought death upon themselves" - give me a fking break. They were 17 year-old kids who were being little sts - executing both of them is not proportional and anyone spouting such rubbish needs to take a step back and understand these are two kids who have been killed. Do any of you sad acts even remember what it was like being 17? You're a kid; an immature kid in the transition to adulthood. You don't always think about the consequences of your actions - but in years to come you look back and cringe/feel remorseful about what they have done. Unfortunately, they won't get that chance.

These threads and the comments under the article make me wonder what the people who say these things online are like in real life - no doubt sad individuals with no social skills or common sense who will end up living like Smith. Utterly depressing.

100% THIS! Please change your name to "The voice of reason."

[Dan_1981]

Hardly innocent kids, by the sounds of it, repeated house / vehicle breakers.

Not that execution is a valid response but it would appear these were a little more than kids having a laugh.

She still WAS fit

[Grumfutock]

Dan_1981 said:

Hardly innocent kids, by the sounds of it, repeated house / vehicle breakers.

Not that execution is a valid response but it would appear these were a little more than kids having a laugh.

She still WAS fit

I don't think anyone is saying they were innocent kids, rather a death penalty for some house breaking is completely over the top.

When i think of the crap I did between 14-20 i would of been killed 50 times over and been minus many limbs by these standards.

[LocoCoco]

Most of PH laughs when promising footballers die in car crashes whilst being chased by the police. I see the death of these two as a similar scenario.

The kids did deserve to die, nobody has the right to kill them though IMO.

I think the home-owner guy is even worse than the kids.

Anybody who deliberately sets out to harm somebody else deserves to die imo. Maybe saying "the world would be a better place without these people" would read a bit more sane, it's the same sentiment.

[grumbledoak]

I don't believe that they deserved death. Nor would they have got a death penalty for their crimes if they were in court. But, court sentences are measured and calmly considered precisely because real life is neither; real world consequences are unpredictable. It is a shame his prior court appearances and/or punishment did not implant this thought into his tiny teenage mind.

That said, repeated burglary is far from "teenage high jinks" and they were ultimately the cause of their own demise, whatever the details. They deserve a lot less sympathy than that little burnt Scottish kid, whatever the details in that case.

[longblackcoat]

22s said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Hopefully he gets sent down for the rest of his life. Sick fker. He wasn't defending himself, he was trying to punish them. As for leaving the corpses for a day before bothering to notify anyone, unbelievable.

Thank Christ, someone here to agree with.

The messages I have read here range from disgusting to comical. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", "they brought death upon themselves" - give me a fking break. They were 17 year-old kids who were being little sts - executing both of them is not proportional and anyone spouting such rubbish needs to take a step back and understand these are two kids who have been killed. Do any of you sad acts even remember what it was like being 17? You're a kid; an immature kid in the transition to adulthood. You don't always think about the consequences of your actions - but in years to come you look back and cringe/feel remorseful about what they have done. Unfortunately, they won't get that chance.

These threads and the comments under the article make me wonder what the people who say these things online are like in real life - no doubt sad individuals with no social skills or common sense who will end up living like Smith. Utterly depressing.

Thank you; an excellent post.

[Grumfutock]

LocoCoco said:

Most of PH laughs when promising footballers die in car crashes whilst being chased by the police. I see the death of these two as a similar scenario.

The kids did deserve to die, nobody has the right to kill them though IMO.

I think the home-owner guy is even worse than the kids.

Anybody who deliberately sets out to harm somebody else deserves to die imo. Maybe saying "the world would be a better place without these people" would read a bit more sane, it's the same sentiment.

And you have just summed up all that is wrong with our race! Well done!

[Rovinghawk]

jdw100 said:

No sympathy at all?

Were they innocents, collecting for charity? No- they were burglars who had repeatedly broken into this house, as well as many others.

jdw100 said:

Death for stealing some property is the appropriate response?

I said he went too far. OTOH, if you break into someone's home you deserve all you get and it's tough luck when you get more than you expected.

The householder was wrong but he didn't force them to break in whereas they forced him to do react (albeit he could have done so in a lesser manner).

jdw100 said:

If it was your son/daughter you would be happy with that outcome?

I wouldn't be happy, no. However, if burglars should deserve all they get, there's no footnote saying "unless they're related to me".

[LocoCoco]

Grumfutock said:

LocoCoco said:

Most of PH laughs when promising footballers die in car crashes whilst being chased by the police. I see the death of these two as a similar scenario.

The kids did deserve to die, nobody has the right to kill them though IMO.

I think the home-owner guy is even worse than the kids.

Anybody who deliberately sets out to harm somebody else deserves to die imo. Maybe saying "the world would be a better place without these people" would read a bit more sane, it's the same sentiment.

And you have just summed up all that is wrong with our race! Well done!

Thanks for your praise!!! I have never harmed another person deliberately but have been deliberately harmed by many people. They can all drop dead for all I care.

I think that somebody with my views is better for our race than somebody with yours. If everybody thought like me there would be no war/fights/theft. Maybe our race needs stuff like that to keep population down though.

[Grumfutock]

LocoCoco said:

Thanks for your praise!!! I have never harmed another person deliberately but have been deliberately harmed by many people. They can all drop dead for all I care.

I think that somebody with my views is better for our race than somebody with yours. If everybody thought like me there would be no war/fights/theft. Maybe our race needs stuff like that to keep population down though.

Genius. So death penalty = zero crime?

According to Amnesty website "We know at least 778 people were executed in 22 countries around the world in 2013."

[Jim the Sunderer]

It was a no win scenario for the unhinged geezer.

[Dan_1981]

Jim the Sunderer said:

It was a no win scenario for the unhinged geezer.

If he'd just shot them, then called an ambulance / police he'd probably have got away with it, and been celebrated as a heroic old bloke defending his home.

Dragging them off of his precious carpet, wrapping them in a camo tarp and finishing them off with "nice clean kill shots" probably wasn't his wisest decision.

[Vaud]

Jim the Sunderer said:

It was a no win scenario for the unhinged geezer.

Not really. He didn't have to shoot to kill. If he was in fear of his life he could have shot them in the leg.

Given neither were armed, it's hard to argue that he was doing anything else other than setting up an execution. He knew he was going to kill them.

[FwdConvert]

22s said:

Thank Christ, someone here to agree with.

The messages I have read here range from disgusting to comical. "Live by the sword, die by the sword", "they brought death upon themselves" - give me a fking break. They were 17 year-old kids who were being little sts - executing both of them is not proportional and anyone spouting such rubbish needs to take a step back and understand these are two kids who have been killed. Do any of you sad acts even remember what it was like being 17? You're a kid; an immature kid in the transition to adulthood. You don't always think about the consequences of your actions - but in years to come you look back and cringe/feel remorseful about what they have done. Unfortunately, they won't get that chance.

These threads and the comments under the article make me wonder what the people who say these things online are like in real life - no doubt sad individuals with no social skills or common sense who will end up living like Smith. Utterly depressing.

I remember being 17, quite immature when I look back even though I didn't think I was then.

I remember not burglarising old folks' homes, repeatedly. Or any other criminal activity for that matter.

I remember not running into an armed defender of his property, as I raided it.

I remember not being shot to death.

The gene pool is now saved the long term pollution of two recidivists.

Zero sympathy.

[wolves_wanderer]

LocoCoco said:

Grumfutock said:

LocoCoco said:

Most of PH laughs when promising footballers die in car crashes whilst being chased by the police. I see the death of these two as a similar scenario.

The kids did deserve to die, nobody has the right to kill them though IMO.

I think the home-owner guy is even worse than the kids.

Anybody who deliberately sets out to harm somebody else deserves to die imo. Maybe saying "the world would be a better place without these people" would read a bit more sane, it's the same sentiment.

And you have just summed up all that is wrong with our race! Well done!

Thanks for your praise!!! I have never harmed another person deliberately but have been deliberately harmed by many people. They can all drop dead for all I care.

I think that somebody with my views is better for our race than somebody with yours. If everybody thought like me there would be no war/fights/theft. Maybe our race needs stuff like that to keep population down though.

If everyone thought like you then we would all be dead due to constant escalations from small issues and grotesque over-reaction.

"I was forced to smash his face in because he looked at my bird" is not an excuse, it is an over-reaction by an agressive, dangerous moron. Shooting an injured teenage girl in the face and then leaving her corpse in your cellar for a day because people have been nicking your stuff is worse by an order of magnitude.

FFS, I know that it is generally a competition on here to come up with the most strident and over the top punishments to infringements large or small but come on guys.

[LocoCoco]

Grumfutock said:

LocoCoco said:

Thanks for your praise!!! I have never harmed another person deliberately but have been deliberately harmed by many people. They can all drop dead for all I care.

I think that somebody with my views is better for our race than somebody with yours. If everybody thought like me there would be no war/fights/theft. Maybe our race needs stuff like that to keep population down though.

Genius. So death penalty = zero crime?

According to Amnesty website "We know at least 778 people were executed in 22 countries around the world in 2013."

That's not what I'm saying if you could calm down a bit. I've already said I don't harm people. Death penalty = harming somebody.

I'm anti-death penalty, doesn't mean I can't believe that most people deserve to die. The problem with my logic is that if you do kill them, you end up with whoever killed them deserving to die too and also, the loved ones of the deceased might not deserve the loss.

Ideally for me, everybody would respect/be nice to each other.

[Art0ir]

Vaud said:

Not really. He didn't have to shoot to kill. If he was in fear of his life he could have shot them in the leg.

This is real life, not James Bond.

Trained marksmen in the police don't even "shoot them in the leg" because the chance of missing is high. Body shots are the only thing attempted. Same reason "head shots" are confined to Call of Duty or Snipers in Afghanistan who want a cool video to show their mates on their phone back home.

Now that definitely doesn't excuse the executions, but I just couldn't let the "why didn't he shoot to disable" post that inevitably comes out.

[LocoCoco]

wolves_wanderer said:

f everyone thought like you then we would all be dead due to constant escalations from small issues and grotesque over-reaction.

"I was forced to smash his face in because he looked at my bird" is not an excuse, it is an over-reaction by an agressive, dangerous moron. Shooting an injured teenage girl in the face and then leaving her corpse in your cellar for a day because people have been nicking your stuff is worse by an order of magnitude.

FFS, I know that it is generally a competition on here to come up with the most strident and over the top punishments to infringements large or small but come on guys.

In your example, how has the person that looked at the other guy's bird deliberately set out to harm somebody else? I don't think you understand what I'm saying here.