Byron Smith murder trial in US - wow
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
Interesting insight into the reality of what happens when you're burgled.
Did you read the article? He stabbed the burglar multiple times in the back when he'd left the property. If you're chasing someone down the street with a knife you're no longer defending anything, you've become the aggressor.
LocoCoco said:
I agree with your last two statements. You didn't answer why they deserve their life?
Because right to life is fundamental. People make mistakes; individuals and the state don't have the inherent right to take anothers life for a minor crime or action against another.I'm not sure on your point?
LocoCoco said:
Bill said:
LocoCoco said:
Yes (IMO). Me too by the way, world would be better place if I was dead.
Er. Ok. 
t and don't deserve their lives. Fortunately, living isn't a right you earn. It's something that happens regardless and you're free to do whatever you please with it. There is no standard to adhere to (excluding religion and heavenly criteria) that defines whether you've squandered it and it should be taken away!
Genuinely, that's getting to the verge of being a little bit dangerous, if you see yourself as judge and jury (hopefully not executioner) over whether people deserve to live or not!
Vaud said:
LocoCoco said:
I agree with your last two statements. You didn't answer why they deserve their life?
Because right to life is fundamental. People make mistakes; individuals and the state don't have the inherent right to take anothers life for a minor crime or action against another.I'm not sure on your point?
LocoCoco said:
Bill said:
LocoCoco said:
Yes (IMO). Me too by the way, world would be better place if I was dead.
Er. Ok. t and don't deserve their lives. Grumfutock said:
LocoCoco said:
Bill said:
LocoCoco said:
Yes (IMO). Me too by the way, world would be better place if I was dead.
Er. Ok. t and don't deserve their lives. LocoCoco said:
I guess I just feel that nobody has the right to live, we all assume that we're just great and deserve our lives. No, we're mostly scum that are super lucky to be alive (IMO).
You sound disturbed. Let's take baby steps here:Where does luck come into it? Our lives are the result of very basic biology. We have our lives due to no effort or responsibility on our own part, so we no more 'deserve' our lives than a mosquito does theirs. Nothing is earnt or spent via your birth. This applies to the holiest and lowliest of all of us, and you seem to not realise this.
However, being born into modern society means you're going to have to follow certain rules in exchange for certain rights. But, breaking some of those rules only means the potential revoking of particular rights - not the whole lot. That's civilised society, and its a nice thing to behold.
So nobody has to justify their right to life. It is up to the highest courts in the land to decide when that right is taken away, and if you need to do so when defending yourself, the courts will probably look kindly on you.
In this example, neither of the two criminals were given the chance to be held accountable for their crimes. The initial actions of this man were mostly acceptable in that society. The subsequent actions were not. Human rights in the US says that, along with being allowed to own guns, people also have a birth right to exemption from cruel and unusual punishment, and the right to a fair trial.
The execution shot was inarguably an unsual punishment for a burglary attempt.
In this case, one human right was used to take away another two.
LocoCoco said:
Bill said:
LocoCoco said:
Yes (IMO). Me too by the way, world would be better place if I was dead.
Er. Ok. t and don't deserve their lives. You're a lunatic/actual psycho.
(Please don't shoot me.)
All this could have been avoided by installing a decent guard dog - who the fk wants to break into a house with a dog of unknown temperament in there?
Byron Smith seems to have become scared, and obsessed with retribution for the kids breaking into his property.
He also doesn't seem to have any remorse for ending their lives - which might help his case, in fact he seems quite proud to have hunted them down and killed them like a commando, or a huntsman.
Threat came, threat was neutralised.
All right when at war but in peacetime - when you know the persons involved?
And her laughing- wouldnt that be on tape?
and the tape - a trophy or pre-meditated means of providing evidence.
I think he executed her so that she couldn@t survive and give her version of the events. As unlikely as that sounds there have been cases of people surviving multiple gunshots to the head. This is further compounded by the fact that the bodies were left in place overnight, possibly to give him time to construct a good story and check the tapes for any necessary additional defence in court.
When I go hunting the process is a lot like what Byron Smith planned and carried out. Pick your spot, lurk in a good spot hidden from view, wait for the quarry, take your shot, check if killed, final shot if first was only partially acceptable, lie quarry on a tarp. Totally autonomous and without emotion.
His feeling of blood pounding in his ears is exactly what you get as the quarry moves into your field of view.
IMO He hunted these kids to death, he even lured them in by making the house look deserted by moving his car.
Their actions were illegal, his actions were those of a hunter killer and were fatal - he's getting life no doubt.
k wants to break into a house with a dog of unknown temperament in there?Byron Smith seems to have become scared, and obsessed with retribution for the kids breaking into his property.
He also doesn't seem to have any remorse for ending their lives - which might help his case, in fact he seems quite proud to have hunted them down and killed them like a commando, or a huntsman.
Threat came, threat was neutralised.
All right when at war but in peacetime - when you know the persons involved?
And her laughing- wouldnt that be on tape?
and the tape - a trophy or pre-meditated means of providing evidence.
I think he executed her so that she couldn@t survive and give her version of the events. As unlikely as that sounds there have been cases of people surviving multiple gunshots to the head. This is further compounded by the fact that the bodies were left in place overnight, possibly to give him time to construct a good story and check the tapes for any necessary additional defence in court.
When I go hunting the process is a lot like what Byron Smith planned and carried out. Pick your spot, lurk in a good spot hidden from view, wait for the quarry, take your shot, check if killed, final shot if first was only partially acceptable, lie quarry on a tarp. Totally autonomous and without emotion.
His feeling of blood pounding in his ears is exactly what you get as the quarry moves into your field of view.
IMO He hunted these kids to death, he even lured them in by making the house look deserted by moving his car.
Their actions were illegal, his actions were those of a hunter killer and were fatal - he's getting life no doubt.
Wrathalanche said:
LocoCoco said:
I guess I just feel that nobody has the right to live, we all assume that we're just great and deserve our lives. No, we're mostly scum that are super lucky to be alive (IMO).
You sound disturbed. Let's take baby steps here:[B]
Where does luck come into it? Our lives are the result of very basic biology. We have our lives due to no effort or responsibility on our own part, so we no more 'deserve' our lives than a mosquito does theirs. Nothing is earnt or spent via your birth. This applies to the holiest and lowliest of all of us, and you seem to not realise this.[\B]
However, being born into modern society means you're going to have to follow certain rules in exchange for certain rights. But, breaking some of those rules only means the potential revoking of particular rights - not the whole lot. That's civilised society, and its a nice thing to behold.
So nobody has to justify their right to life. It is up to the highest courts in the land to decide when that right is taken away, and if you need to do so when defending yourself, the courts will probably look kindly on you.
In this example, neither of the two criminals were given the chance to be held accountable for their crimes. The initial actions of this man were mostly acceptable in that society. The subsequent actions were not. Human rights in the US says that, along with being allowed to own guns, people also have a birth right to exemption from cruel and unusual punishment, and the right to a fair trial.
The execution shot was inarguably an unsual punishment for a burglary attempt.
In this case, one human right was used to take away another two.
I've never said this guy was right to kill them, in fact I've said that nobody should deliberately harm another person.
I don't need to be told that my views are messed up, I'm well aware.
Ozzie Osmond said:
NRS said:
For those people saying it's ok because he was defending his property then where is the limit for not doing this when looking after your property?
I think you've missed the point that this law deals with intruders in your HOME. It's not about financial fraud or nicking the wing mirror off your car while it's parked at the supermarket.What's the difference that it's in your home? Can you shoot them in the garden then? That's your property too. Or perhaps at work if someone breaks in there? Or perhaps in your car if they're trying to take that? Why not fraud - that costs you money and makes you feel insecure. Same as someone breaking in.
NRS said:
So because it's the law then it's ok? So you'd be happy for someone to get stoned in an arabic country for committing adultary then? Just because the law says it is potentially ok (and since he's being prosecuted it seems like the law thinks he went too far)?
What's the difference that it's in your home? Can you shoot them in the garden then? That's your property too. Or perhaps at work if someone breaks in there? Or perhaps in your car if they're trying to take that? Why not fraud - that costs you money and makes you feel insecure. Same as someone breaking in.
Seem to remember that nutter executing the black kid in the street last year and saying "I felt under threat in my home".What's the difference that it's in your home? Can you shoot them in the garden then? That's your property too. Or perhaps at work if someone breaks in there? Or perhaps in your car if they're trying to take that? Why not fraud - that costs you money and makes you feel insecure. Same as someone breaking in.
I agree it is an absurd law and these people have gone way past the intention of the law.
Oakey said:
WinstonWolf said:
Interesting insight into the reality of what happens when you're burgled.
Did you read the article? He stabbed the burglar multiple times in the back when he'd left the property. If you're chasing someone down the street with a knife you're no longer defending anything, you've become the aggressor.
I was mainly referring to Martin's experience though.
WinstonWolf said:
Fight or flight instinct, easy to dismiss from the relative safety of our keyboards, not so when you're pumped with adrenaline and have been in fear for your life.
I was mainly referring to Martin's experience though.
Hmmm and yet Lee Clegg was expected to, and jailed when he failed that test. I was mainly referring to Martin's experience though.
Grumfutock said:
WinstonWolf said:
Fight or flight instinct, easy to dismiss from the relative safety of our keyboards, not so when you're pumped with adrenaline and have been in fear for your life.
I was mainly referring to Martin's experience though.
Hmmm and yet Lee Clegg was expected to, and jailed when he failed that test. I was mainly referring to Martin's experience though.
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