NHS getting worse at clawing back cash for foreigners’ care
Discussion
PorkInsider said:
Fishtigua said:
If anyone from the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man has to have NHS treatment, they get a whopping great bill very swiftly. They can then plead to their local health authority for assistance. Not ideal.
Low-hanging fruit?IoM charge VAT on goods and services and then account to Westminster for these receipts in return for their representation within the EU, their national protection (Armed forces and border control) and access to the NHS.
I also know someone who has had quite a few weeks in NHS hospitals over the last few years, who is IOM resident, and they have not had a single bill or any suggestion of one.
PorkInsider said:
Fishtigua said:
If anyone from the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man has to have NHS treatment, they get a whopping great bill very swiftly. They can then plead to their local health authority for assistance. Not ideal.
Low-hanging fruit?dave_s13 said:
I actually work for the NHS and have often seen people where I've questioned (to myself) why they get seen given they seem to be here purely on the back of a distant family member being resident. They often don't work, never have and never will so haven't made any contribution whatsoever to the "system". Trouble is, I have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not they should or shouldn't get seen. They are referred, we see them, that's it.
No checks and balances in place it seems to me. I have no idea how it works though.
I work in the NHS too & agree there is no system or desire to charge them. Mind you the average admin staff would get fired from asda stacking shelves badly so it's no surprise really.No checks and balances in place it seems to me. I have no idea how it works though.
tangerine_sedge said:
Personally, I'd put it down to the fact that Mario & Helga are less likely to have downed a dozen Bacardi breezers and fallen from their hotel balcony then Steve & Tracy...
Exactly. The whole article is a complete load of s
t.There are hundreds of thousands of retired British pensioners along the European coast and milions of UK tourists abroad getting completely s
tfaced at any given time. The article even says as much without any attempt at justifying their headlines:thatfkingbagofstjokeofanewspaper said:
kingbagofstjokeofanewspaper said: Some of the gap is due to more British pensioners retiring to the continent than those from the EU here.
There may also be more tourists from Britain going to Europe than the other way.
And shock, PH laps up every word of it like the hungry frightened tabloid sluts that they are,There may also be more tourists from Britain going to Europe than the other way.
THis is the reason for the disparity, not heathcare tourism.
Edited by blindswelledrat on Friday 20th March 14:48
blindswelledrat said:
And shock, PH laps up every word of it like the hungry frightened tabloid sluts that they are,
THis is the reason for the disparity, not heathcare tourism.
its easy to ignore your nasty, course and information devoid post so I will.THis is the reason for the disparity, not heathcare tourism.
Edited by blindswelledrat on Friday 20th March 14:48
If you have any facts, produce them.
For others reading this, you will find that UK pensioners (actually all of us) abroad in the EU will get non emergency treatment only on production of their EHIC, or if they pay for it.
It is not too hard for European healthcare professionals to collect payment, so why so hard here?
fido said:
But that's the point BSR - it's easy to collect money from UK retirees (i.e. comparatively wealthy people with savings) who go to Spain whereas people from the EU don't generally come here to retire. How do France and Germany deal with these issues?
I don't get you? You seem to be making my point. Our elderly retire in SPain and as a result use hugely disproportionate amount of Spain's healthcare (230 million in 2013 to be precise). Almost zero Spanish choose to retire in England and as a result don't use our healthcare very much (or 5.5 million in 2013 to be precise).Absolutely nothing there demonstrates that there is disproportionate claiming back. You need more figures to know whether that's true or not because that disparity could easily be simply down to realistic use rather than the implied health tourism.
blindswelledrat said:
And yet the nasty, course and information devoid article from the Daily Mail you accept as gospel, with no facts or figures required, and try to stir up anger.
Interesting double standards.
I made no comment on the article, only on your rant.Interesting double standards.
You cant even say why you characterise the article this way.
YOU need to produce facts if you dispute something.
blindswelledrat said:
fido said:
But that's the point BSR - it's easy to collect money from UK retirees (i.e. comparatively wealthy people with savings) who go to Spain whereas people from the EU don't generally come here to retire. How do France and Germany deal with these issues?
I don't get you? You seem to be making my point. Our elderly retire in SPain and as a result use hugely disproportionate amount of Spain's healthcare (230 million in 2013 to be precise). Almost zero Spanish choose to retire in England and as a result don't use our healthcare very much (or 5.5 million in 2013 to be precise).Absolutely nothing there demonstrates that there is disproportionate claiming back. You need more figures to know whether that's true or not because that disparity could easily be simply down to realistic use rather than the implied health tourism.
Our elderly retire in Spain, get treatment for which the Spanish bill the UK. So we taxpayers pay (as we should.) Its probably beneficial to the Spanish economy
Freeloaders come over here, get treatment and if its not recharged, guess what, we pay.
Spot the difference?
NicD said:
Freeloaders come over here, get treatment and if its not recharged, guess what, we pay.
Spot the difference?
Where is the figure for this? Why are you accepting this as fact because the Daily Mail implies it is?Spot the difference?
How do you know that in my example Spanish people use far more NHS than we claim for?
You don't. You just accept it as fact because the Mail is your favourite paper.
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